Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As for bubbling BS's, a HIC has a unique ability among ships. That ability is tremendous. By giving that ability to a ship with a much better tank you drasticly increase the potency of that ability. Again, this would throw the whole mechanic out of balance.

And before I forget...

Please enlighten me as to what else you do in a combat ship. Do you mine in yours? Haul perhaps?[/quote]


1. wait a tick, a bs with the training time of a dread or more isnt some kind of balance? you dont have to earn that as you stated?
the hac skills required takes along time, and thats just cruiser based. bs skills could be made to add even more training time. make it an even higher training time than the marauder. make the skill list so high, one would need at least 1 year in game to get it maxed if they work exclusively on that one ship.
that would be something to work toward.

2. i did ask for a resistance bonus for the marauder. i would love for the marauder to have a sensor thats immune to npc ewar or atleast resistant to to it like a normal bs but vulnerable to pvp. i love the marauder. a little luvin is all it needs.

3. correction: the marauder doesnt do the damage of a vindy from what i have been told. i dont own a vindy, but i know they smoke anything else from what i have been told. i didnt ask to surpass the damage of the marauder, im not asking for the marauder double weapon bonus or anything of the kind. im not asking for any bonuses we dont already have on bs now (minie rof and damage bonuses).
about the same damage is great. hell, i will even settle for the same damage as a tier 3 bc (wait a sec ITS THE SAME DAMAGE, SO IF A BC CAN DO IT, WHY CANT A FREAKIN SHIP THAT NEEDS A YEAR + TO TRAIN?) yer taking bs weapon and sticking them on a bc and you dont want to give me the same damage bonus as a bc gets?

4. we covered massive training time, massive costs and those are your arguments for not having them. why should stuff just stop at bc level? t2 bs's would be fun. they wouldnt be over powered, just have a healthy tank. would be a VERY hard loss because insurance payout would be that of a normal bs or less. following through with your arguement, every cruiser pilot should be up in arms because we have overpowered t2 cruisers. OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG..(someone dont tell him about command ships and their proposed changes...

make it have 8 weapons like a normal bs, not the double damage special bonuses that make marauder kewl and useful. there would be very little more tank on t2 abaddon (6 low slot) than one could achieve with a normal abaddon (8 low slots).
the geddon would be the zealot. it has 8 slots now and might loose one becoming tech 2. it would strait up fill the role of t2 pulse boat.

again, training time and cash were your arguements for not everyone owning a titan. that and the thrill of building towards something.
training time and cash would be the balancing factor for a t2 hac bs. one would have to earn it through training and the earning of isk.

same freaking arguement. just a whole lot less money needed for a whole lot less ship than for a titan or mom.
no more damage than what we have now. just normal sensors and better tank.

if yer having trouble killing it, phone a friend. it would have the same down falls as normal bs. cant hit frigs, low dps against cruisers...etc. etc.

a bubbling bs would NOT be op. it would be immobile or some other form of control. the hic would be a mobile bubble that doesnt need anchoring. it would have a smaller bubble due to not having the power to generate a large one. the bs would be immobile but have lots of power. maybe the requirement it to diver all engine power to the bubble..who knows. large sig radius, immobile means lots of damage taken. few weapons just like the hic have. nothing fancy..just new and kewl.

i dont know my train of thought with that last bit and i have slept since then so i cant remember my point. please disreguard.

ignorance is about not knowing about a topic and is commonly confused with your point of view. just because i cant see your point of view about fairness and balance doesnt make me ignorant. it isnt fair i cant sit and play eve all day like others can, but i still play. we all make the same sp, even if i cant play. but eveyone having the ability to train work towards a ship is fair, even tho it takes longer for me to purchase it. balance is about things evening out. t2 bs's dont need a down side to exist. t2 frigs and cruisers dont get em, why should anything else? if they do have a down side, then give it to the bs's

Nobody needs overpowered new pseudo light BS.
There is no need for experiments.

All that's needed is a Khanid Torp Abaddon.
Just take the Abbadon, give it the stats of a Paladin, swap turret- to missilehardpoints and everything is fine.

Oh and i suppose while we're at it throw the other races a bone and give them Drone/Rail/Artie Marauders or something.

ok, what r the down sides to hacs? the same down sides can be applied to a t2 hac bs.
if the t2 cruiser is way too powerful compared to a t1 cruiser, then they should be done away with. its the ratio of power a hac has over t1 is all i am asking for. if a hac is 20% more powerful, then a hac-bs could be the same ratio to a normal bs (once rebalanced). same exact bonuses except applied to large weapons instead of medium or smallers ones like on AF. if they r too powerful for the bs class, they should be too powerful for the frig class and cruiser class.



the down side to a bubbling bs as i stated would be that its immobile and the bubble lasts a long time, not just 30 seconds like a hic. what kind of fight lasts 2 minutes? it would have to be selectively used and not for everyday encounters where it could be hot dropped or whatever. marauder sig radius times hic sig radius penalty when bubbled means a dread could easily hit it. how long will a ship with the sig radius of 750-2k (painted with 2-3 t2 painters) stand against a citadel torp? remember, its immobile so it gets no speed tank. put a dread in rage mode and push the hate button and watch that bs take a 10k shot (including resists). how long will it stand against that kind of abuse? add 2 more dreads and a carrier or 2 with fighters. itll melt.

the hics r the quick small bubbles, the bs would be the immobile large bubbles. simular to anchored bubbles without the anchor time. penalty would be they would have to sit unable to be repped while everyone and their dog primaries them. penalty is they have crappy dps.
penalty is the same as the hic, but more of it.

not asking for more power or an "i win button". take a hac and mimick it to the next large size. if its too powerful for one ship size, its too powerful for the next.

Any other comments?

Come on, I know some of you want T2 Rokhs and Maelstroms.

I think an alternative Logistics ship with bonuses to EWAR (and other modules that don't have bonuses at the moment) would be good.

Stuff like Remote Sensor Boosters, Tracking Links(Range and/or Tracking) and ECCM projectors. Maybe modify them so they're A.O.E or give them some nice bonus so they're super effective.

We also lost our beloved scythe with its tracking link bonus so T2 BS like this might be relevant.

The Black Ops ships currently perform multiple roles: EWar platforms and (covert) force projection. Split this up into two separate ships. Because of their specialty purpose and "extra electronics devoted to their particular roles, blah blah", they probably should only have the DPS capabilities of an average BC if you did choose to fit them for DPS.

One ship for EWar that loses the Jump Drive/force projection capabilities, loses bonus to EWar range while keeping bonus to EWar strength, keeps the high subwarp speed while cloaked, gains a bonus to sensor strength per level, and gains a tank that can let it sit in the middle of the battle. It's still a battleship so it has crap for scan res, but yet has a huge sensor strength. Note, ECM should probably be fixed to be something other than "all or nothing" before anything like this can be considered. You could maybe call this the Electronic Superiority ship (new skill).

The other ship keeps the force projection capabilities, loses the fast subwarp while cloaked, loses most of its tank, but gains the use of a CovOps cloak. It's still a battleship, so it has crap for agility; if you saw where it was when it cloaked and have half a brain, you can decloak it with ease. If you have sufficient covert cynos in place, you could move this ship across the galaxy and back and never be seen. This can continue to be called Black Ops ship (existing Black Ops skill).


Something along these lines would provide clearly-defined roles for T2 battleships, instead of just another Marauder or T1 clone.

ok hakam,
tell me where t3's fit into the power scheme?
any t3 will whip the crap out of any bs. most will out dps them and out tank them. out cloak them, out run them, out boost the command ships. t3 destroyed the balance of power.

they take less training time but a little more money to get in.

where do they fit into your power plan? they exceed it. eve is unbalanced like that.

so the bs power level has already been surpassed. it is no longer the base line for power.


and whats with the name calling? i read alot of your comments on others ideas. most of what comes out of your mouth is negative. who's the troll now?
before this gets ugly, lets keep it professional.

But I am glad you brought up T3's in this way. It all makes sense now. Obviously what you really want is a T3 Battleship, not a T2 one.

???

i dont really like t3. i am skilled in the amarr and minie, but it stays docked up.

dont jump to conclusions, you couldnt be more wrong. what i want is for amarr to have a khanid torp boat exactly like the sac and vengy.
i want a retribution/zealot style pulse bs.
lemme spell it out for you again... H A C bs


i would "like" kewl ships like a hic bs. impose limitation. i.d.g.a.r.a....but, something other than a flimsy cloaky thing, or descent bs that gets blinded by the reflection on bubble gum wrappers.

i would like am amarr jammer drone boat that gives neut bonuses like the curse..give another one the ass of a redeemer and let it fly cloaked (call it a pilgrim upgrade).

i want the t2 cruisers extended into bc and further into bs's.


i was sick with pheumonia all last week or i would have belittled you then.

i am waiting to see what they r changing with the next rebalance or bc and up. i "hope" they add more t2 destroyers, bc and bs's with kewl roles. i dont think caldari should be the only race with a ewar bs.
i dont think minie and caldari should be the only races with torp boats.

these ideas are merely suggestion for ccp, not invitations for your bashing.
i came up with positive, constuctive ideas for the poster and all u do is bring folks down. get a life...

and what questions would you like answered?

i havent seen one.


i just think its bad now that a t3 can smoke a common bs in under a minute. thats obsurd.
more ehp wouldnt be a bad thing, atleast SOMEONE could stand up to them. right now, there isnt a sub cap ship that can stand up to a t3 except another t3. it shouldnt be this way.
something is out of whack.

I don't see why wanting more T2 battleships would suggest they would be overpowered/unbalanced. The goal should be that every new ship should be balanced.

In line with other T2s, T2 battleships should be more powerful on a per ship basis, but, like any other T2, would be hideously expensive and able to be smoked if it finds itself outnumbered by T1s. Another tool, not an I win button.

As it stands Marauders outdamage their T1 counterparts, but not by a huge margin (same as HACs), their main features are less weapons to keep powered and filled with ammo and some additional, ancillary capabilities. Adding a second set of marauders should stick with the trend; though it would be nice for them (both new and old marauders) to be made a bit more viable in PvP.