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Establishments in Winter 2011 Expansion, yes or no?

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#101 - 2011-10-06 23:42:38 UTC
Ni Cho wrote:
CCP Solomon wrote:
Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that don’t want it). However, we think you’ll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

It’s humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when it’s ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.



I am all for this Incarna stuff people complained about CCP not doing for many years before I even played Eve Online: a sometimes crappy game. I am glad to see the space ship crap being worked on, since you know, I am a starship captain and all that crap.

Just make sure you roll out that Incarna crap right and with **** people can do, maybe even with out blowing up our computers... Big smile

I want my Sexual Enhancement shop to be of the same high quality as the ding dongs I will be peddling.

But I want spaceship crap to be right/nice/fixed/cool FIRST.


You said crap more often than I said lower backs today while meaning arse! I salute you, Goon.

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Flamespar
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
#102 - 2011-10-06 23:44:20 UTC
Raven Aldura wrote:

Well, that sucks. I guess Ill be back when you guys get serious about avatar gameplay. Ive only been waiting 3 years (or whatever). I'm going to go wait somewhere else. CCP please don't bring incarna up again until you mean it. This tease has gone on long enough. Screw this.



My thoughts are pretty similar. The only decision for me is as to whether I stay subscribed and just train skills or just quit until CCP finally delivers something worth coming back for. I might give it a week or so to see what the upcoming Dev blogs promise.

Personally I would love some sort of statement from CCP on what Incarna will actually contain, merely so I have something to look forward to, and work towards being ready for. As opposed to this endless c**k tease.
Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#103 - 2011-10-06 23:51:01 UTC
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2011-10-06 23:53:12 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


Stay Classy
Zenethian
Perkone
Caldari State
#105 - 2011-10-06 23:53:51 UTC
I have always been opposed to the very idea of Incarna. Eve at it's core is an internet spaceships game.

If you wanna walk around in a space station, go get a SecondLife account.

I was really worried that Incarna was going to become the focus of Eve's development. I was considering cancelling my accounts because of it. However, with this latest news, I will be keeping my accounts, and maybe even adding a new one.

TL;DR: Accounts subbed!
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#106 - 2011-10-06 23:54:38 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#107 - 2011-10-06 23:58:41 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?


Yes, and if you take your.... *staying classy*.... If you care to read all that has been said again you will realize that Incarna was not scrapped, only put into its proper place on the development priority list.

CCP prioritized Incarna while there was still things to do. Now they are backtracking, and taking the proper path.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2011-10-06 23:58:53 UTC
Zenethian wrote:
I have always been opposed to the very idea of Incarna. Eve at it's core is an internet spaceships game.

If you wanna walk around in a space station, go get a SecondLife account.

I was really worried that Incarna was going to become the focus of Eve's development. I was considering cancelling my accounts because of it. However, with this latest news, I will be keeping my accounts, and maybe even adding a new one.

TL;DR: Accounts subbed!


WIS and FIS are not mutually exclusive
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#109 - 2011-10-07 00:01:20 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?


Yes, and if you take your.... *staying classy*.... If you care to read all that has been said again you will realize that Incarna was not scrapped, only put into its proper place on the development priority list.

CCP prioritized Incarna while there was still things to do. Now they are backtracking, and taking the proper path.


LOL - You did read my earlier doubts on avatar geeks working on FiS stuff, right? There is no "priority FiS or WiS" I think.
They use the FiS shouters so they can.. Ah, I give up. Search for my earlier posts. I'm tired.

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Vanilla Twilight
Partido dos Trabalhadores
#110 - 2011-10-07 00:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?


CCP must bring NEW content that have something to do with what EVE IS, a space ship game, not The Sims online.
Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#111 - 2011-10-07 00:03:11 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?


Yes, and if you take your.... *staying classy*.... If you care to read all that has been said again you will realize that Incarna was not scrapped, only put into its proper place on the development priority list.

CCP prioritized Incarna while there was still things to do. Now they are backtracking, and taking the proper path.


LOL - You did read my earlier doubts on avatar geeks working on FiS stuff, right? There is no "priority FiS or WiS" I think.
They use the FiS shouters so they can.. Ah, I give up. Search for my earlier posts. I'm tired.


Like i asked you on another thread.. have you got any idea about how feature development works? Or do you think its only Team A do this and Team B do that.. then you get everything together and bundle into one expansion?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2011-10-07 00:03:19 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?


Yes, and if you take your.... *staying classy*.... If you care to read all that has been said again you will realize that Incarna was not scrapped, only put into its proper place on the development priority list.

CCP prioritized Incarna while there was still things to do. Now they are backtracking, and taking the proper path.


Without having access to the subscription data I can only assume you are correct, as CCP seems to agree with you. I am not as upset with the direction of the game as I am this continued bait and switch. CCP has for years given us the impression that WIS was just around the corner and it seems, just as we are about to arrive, the rug is pulled out from under us again.
Tristan North
The Scope
#113 - 2011-10-07 00:04:16 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


That's just what they want you to believe untill WiS is complete.
Afale II
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2011-10-07 00:07:48 UTC
CCP Solomon wrote:
Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that don’t want it). However, we think you’ll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature was… well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

It’s humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when it’s ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.


So Incarna became another half finished and abandoned project. And no i don't think there will be a multiplayer part for Incarna ever.

You just **** off one part of the playerbase to please the other. This flip flopping won't work. FFS just one time finish the Project before you beginn another.

-Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be-

Flamespar
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
#115 - 2011-10-07 00:07:54 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:

Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


This is just a ******** thing to say.

Different players enjoy different activities in EVE. There is no point to dismissing their particular interest because you do not share it. Some players don't want Incarna, some do, some don't care, some want elements of both. Similaly some don't want to do planetary interaction, or mining, or pvp or PVE. We all have our favourite ways of playing the game, and I think it is one of EVE's strengths that we actually have all of these ways of interacting with the game.

Personally I have no problem with each group having their particular interests focussed on for a particular expansion. I just have a problem with the half arsed approach to satsifying their interests that has typified CCP for the last few expansion cycles.

I don't care about the content of the next expansion. I just want a polished set of features that actually - for once - meet our expectations.



Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#116 - 2011-10-07 00:11:14 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.


This is just a ******** thing to say.

Different players enjoy different activities in EVE. There is no point to dismissing their particular interest because you do not share it. Some players don't want Incarna, some do, some don't care, some want elements of both. Similaly some don't want to do planetary interaction, or mining, or pvp or PVE. We all have our favourite ways of playing the game, and I think it is one of EVE's strengths that we actually have all of these ways of interacting with the game.

Personally I have no problem with each group having their particular interests focussed on for a particular expansion. I just have a problem with the half arsed approach to satsifying their interests that has typified CCP for the last few expansion cycles.

I don't care about the content of the next expansion. I just want a polished set of features that actually - for once - meet our expectations.





http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/08/some-curves-arent.html

Incarna almost killed EVE. Simple as that.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#117 - 2011-10-07 00:11:41 UTC
Finishing Establishments by Winter was very unlikely, and everyone should have known better by the time the CQ launch was pushed so far back to be a WINTER expansion when it was implicated to be a late Incarna expansion addition.



Establishments are more than just the structures.


Establishments for EVE represents the following :


Player owned station rooms, 100% customizable establishments, UI to manage customized establishments (including scripting NPCs), mutliple establishments per station, multi-player environment supporting undefined number of players, mini-games (poker, etc), Scripted NPC's, Stripper NPC actions and "clothing", social "drinking", functional environments, emotional animations (smile, sad, angry, wave), interactive environments, a concourse(??) to move between establishments, new boosters, booster trading mechanics in establishments only, player policed booster smuggling, new "local" channel, and the list goes on and on and on for establishments.


All of that is NOT getting done by winter. It's a fact, it's way too much and rushing it is just going to make it crapola. Establishments might seem like a simple addition, but really it's a whole content package that is going to be really challenging to get right, and they have ONE SHOT to do it right, so they better hit it on the head the first time.


I wish it were coming this WInter, but the fact is it just isn't.

Where I am.

Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2011-10-07 00:12:39 UTC
Afale II wrote:
You just **** off one part of the playerbase to please the other. This flip flopping won't work. FFS just one time finish the Project before you beginn another.


Well said. This should concern not just fans disappointed that WIS is pushed back, but all the people that are happy FIS is now priority have to wonder: For how long? How long until CCP flip flops back the other way without finishing FIS projects.
Equto
Imperium Technologies
#119 - 2011-10-07 00:14:42 UTC
I assume ccp is working / has been working on the minigames, would it be too much to ask for the simple ones to be added to our quarters so that we can atleast see what you had in mind without taking staff from anywhere else as the minigames should already be finished( you did show them at fanfest)
Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2011-10-07 00:15:20 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
ONE SHOT to do it right, so they better hit it on the head the first time.


I wish it were coming this WInter, but the fact is it just isn't.


I agree with what your saying. The problem isn't the reality, its how CCP has pimped WIS for 5 years and the expectations set forth.