EVE General Discussion

This is the opposite of 'dumbing down'... It's making eve harder. Do you even think what you're typing?

Removing OGB is a good thing that -if anything- promotes solo pvp.

OGB is pretty much a PAY TO WIN dynamic that needs to end. CCP will be sacrificing alt accounts to fix their game - they deserve credit for that.

EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, had to edit that quote - ISD Type40.

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Repent of your off-grid magiks

Yeah sure.

EVE is full of cowards and risk-averse dudes.

There are few entities that will take a fight they're not 100% sure to win. So, in order to get an actual fight, you need to look weak.

Either : You have a cyno and a bridging Titan. Send in a bait, they'll take it as it looks weak and you'll get a fight.

Or : You go in solo with a fast ship, you use your OGB alt (7M + SPs in leadership, and a 470M T3 ship), and you use that advantage to fight outnumbered.

What seems to be the "fairest" solution ?

Once again, there are gangs that simply can't work with on-grid boosting. Like frigate gangs, or cloacky bomber gangs. The whole "Just take your command ship on the field" can work for the usual shield BC fleet. However, it won't work in a lot of situations. And as the B2K dude told you, most of these situations revolves around fighting outnumbered.

Like, nanogangs who revolves around going >2.7km/s to survive. Or frigate-gangs.

As I told you, I use my OGB alt to fight outnumbered. If I can't use it any more, guess what I'm going to train.

Yeah that's right, a Falcon. Or a damping Arazu. How does that promote solo PVP ? Instead of going faster/point farther, I'll just jam the **** out of the hostiles. How is this an improvement ?

And If I can't seem to get a little advantage over that gang, I'll bring in my third alt. Is this your idea of solo PVP ?

When you fight solo, you have to find things you can take advantages of. Such as combat boosters, deadspace fittings, and alts.

Let's take this situation :

I have a Cynabal, the enemy gang consists of a Brutix, a Kitsune, an inty and a Vagabond, for example.

Let's imagine I'm not permajammed by the Kitsune. What am I going to do ? Overload MWD, kite and eventually kill the inty, then move on to the Kitsune. Then I'll probably duel the Vagabond while the Brutix tries to close in, and then I kill the Brutix, if I can break his active tank (If he is active tanked).

Without any OGB or anything, the inty will close in much faster, and if an ECM cycle gets through at the wrong time, I'm completely toast as the Brutix manages to close in and tackle me.

In order to make up for the fact that I don't have my OGB anymore, I'll just bring in a Falcon or two, permajam everything and kill whatever still wants to stay on grid.

So what ?

That whole "In order to fight X you have to bring an X yourself, so nerf X" is ridiculous tbh.

It's like "In order to catch a 100MN Tengu, you have to bring long range webs and something to keep it alive ! I want to kill those Tengus with my 3 Drakes and it doesn't work, nerfnerfnerf".

Yes, in order to fight special ships, you have to bring special ships yourself. How is that a problem ? When you fight a solo PVPer with an OGB, you have the number advantage. Use that to kill the OGBoosted solo PVPer. (In case you are also a solo PVPer yourself, don't worry. Now it's an OGB ship, it could have been a Falcon. What do you prefer ?).

Or bring a competent prober, and get a juicy T3 kill while the solo PVPer is too busy managing his main ship.

Now I'm all for nerfing Command T3s (Easier to find would be fine, switch the bonuses between command ships and T3s would be fine too, no boosting from within a POS is a good thing too), but the complete removal of OGB isn't something I would like to see happen.

Suck it up, big boy, I trained max leadership on my main to sit ON GRID in a Command Ship to boost - with my main, while fighting. The problem we had in recent years is my main has not been able to perform his much wanted role, as alts do it (better) off grid. I never cried for my SP back then.

Having bonuses on grid makes perfect sense, now the next step is the much MUCH needed Command Ship boosts. Not in terms of fleet boosting, they did that fine before t3's ruined everything. I'm talking about their combat capabilities, which was ruined about the same time we had the (multiple) hit point boosts and rig introductions some five years~ ago.

The Rorqual can be fixed by turning it into a capital command ship: move the mining foreman link bonus from the industrial core to a role of the hull itself.

I don't see any OGB boosting skill sto be removed tbh.

And remember, there's on-grid, then there's on-grid.

Right.

Next time I encounter a 30 man fleet, I'll broadcast and hotdrop it with 90 dudes. Then they'll whine that they got steamrolled.

And then the 90 dudes will get hotdropped by 180 dudes and so on.

Numbers > Everything.

Or, you could let those 5 dudes have some sort of device that allows them to fight outnumbered and eventually win, against all odds, by being good and getting some help from a specifically trained alt, flying a specific ship.

If 30 dudes get killed by 5 dudes, the 30 dudes were just very, very bad.

And I have no problem with 30 dudes getting killed by 5 Genos Occidere/B2K dudes with an OGB. It's just how it is. They used all the mechanics they knew about to win against 30, less-prepared, kitchen-sink ships.

Being prepared, lead by an efficient FC and using all the mechanics to win is what you are supposed to do. Not throw 30 random ships at 5 dudes and expect to win everytime.

Which brings me to "In order to beat the OGB users, bring a prober. Or bring long-range webs. Or bring an OGB too. Or bring Ewar".

OGB is like 100MN Tengus, Cynabals or Falcons. There are ways to fight them. Like fighting on a gate. The OGB will have troubles moving back and forth between two systems while a Claymore/Vulture/whatever can just jump along with the gang and be operational right away.

Don't expect to beat a specifically fit ship, flown by a specifically trained character, with a bunch of random shield BCs. Simple as that.



Can't fit more than 3 links on a hard-to-probe boosting T3.

And yes, you can indeed fit a Loki like an overtanked Vagabond with a ganglink.

However, dualboxing two kiting ships is almost impossible. You would have to actually fly the command/T3vagabond alone and not have to bother with the ship you wanted to boost.

OGB is one of the few things that allow solo PVPers (Aka lone dudes behind their computers) to fight bigger gangs.

If you remove it, you'll just bring back the cloacked Ewarships era as those are one of the few ships that don't require much micro-managing (Decloack, align, jam everything, and if something goes wrong and you missed a jam, welp).

Anyone dual boxing any other combination of ships has more power than just a single ship with enhanced stats.

Instead of an Hyperion and a boosting Legion, two dudes singleboxing would be able to bring 2 Hyperions. That's not twice the tank, however it's twice the drones, twice the DPS, twice the tackling power.

Two dudes could bring a Vagabond and a Rapier. Instead of having a faster Vagabond, you have slower targets. And an additional flight of drones. And the ability to look like one ship when in reality, you'll have to fight two.

Sure, any other combination that isn't boosting ship + X is more dangerous. It's also more powerful. And usually cheaper, depends.

As I said, I'm all for Command T3s being easier to probe out and/or having their bonuses switched with command ships'. But the complete removal of OGB is over-the-top.

As an OGB user, I like this.

Could a command-ship pilot comment this ?