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the sansha's nation we fight in game is truly not the same nation the empires destroyed.
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Mirima Thurander
#1 - 2012-12-12 12:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
the sansha's nation we fight in game is truly not the same nation the empires destroyed.

Why you ask?

I'm all most sure the nation we are fighting now is really been taken over by the thing that escaped from the sleepers world, that would explain the jump in tec they have gotten, there sudden reemerging.

There heavily adding tec too the human body would make it easier for them to be taken over by it.

You know if we where harvesting sleeper implants the nation would of did it as well its there favourite thing.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#2 - 2012-12-12 12:49:09 UTC
I have to ask; have you read the novel EVE: The Burning Life?

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Mirima Thurander
#3 - 2012-12-12 13:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
I only read the 2 written by the the Gomez guy, the other ones where just bad to me.

I only said what I did because it makes more since than suddntly joven tec.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-12-12 13:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I only read the 2 written by the the Gomez guy, the other ones where just bad to me.

I only said what I did because it makes more since than suddntly joven tec.


It's Gonzales not Gomez :)

It has been established since always that Sansha was one of the greatest scientists of the cluster. He's mad, thou. So it shouldn't surprise anybody that, once he's back to action, he produces high science again. Like some people that I'm not going to name did in RL history, having no qualms about any victim rigth or safety may help investigating otherwise monstruous ways of technology or science that would have otherwise been left alone.

Anyway, he was on the same path before his defeat against the 4 empires. The True Slaves were already there. Did he got Jove tech? Maybe. Same did the Angels, and tbh their frigates and cruisers are way better than those of Sasha, so it's not that extremely amazing. Ones got the good ships, others the good tech to create wormholes. Finding that Broker hidden bunker probably helped their cloning tech, too.

Also, this guys look a lot like Sansha himself, to me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aegK7n7C5Z8
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-12 14:23:28 UTC
the only thing i wonder now is if Sansha's forces are now just True Slaves, i mean, his original idea was that the True Slaves would be the forces to protect his people, after what happened with the empires, he converted all of his supporters in cyborg zombies or he still has non converted followers?
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-12 20:26:17 UTC
I can recall a news article stating that a capsuleer got a probe through one of Sansha's wormholes as his forces were retreating, and images of a Jovian station could be seen at what looked like a rally point. So the OP's argument about Shansha's Nation being hacked and taken over by the sleepers is slightly flawed. (Other than the "Awakened Infomorph", I have not heard of sleepers ever leaving wormhole space) As for it making more sense than Sansha's sudden leap in Jove tech, you only need to look at Jovian/Sleeper lore to find the common link between the two ancient races...

(QUOTE ~ The Sleepers were apparently once part of the Jove race. The Jove arrived in New Eden in two parts: most of the citizenry were frozen in cryogenic suspension and connected to each other in a computer program, the rest stayed unfrozen, taking care of the ships and the frozen citizens. When the colony ships arrived, many chose to stay in their virtual reality constructs, only coming into the real world when necessary. At some point, the Sleepers split off from the Jove, presumably because of their desire to largely stay within their Virtual Reality construct. They settled in Ani, and eventually moved on to wormhole space (how they moved there, or why, is not revealed). However, the Sleeper civilization itself is still alive, even if they rarely leave their virtual world. They survive in their VR construct to this day, their bodies kept in hibernation, and only very rarely come out of their hibernation to interact with the real world. END QUOTE).

The oher ancient races may have something to do with this as well. Sansha may have engineered the wormhole generator from "The Yan Jung" (masters of advanced gravitronic technology and force field theories) and his line of research would make him very interested in the "Takmahl" (experts in cybernetics and bio-engineering technology)

All of this aside, The OP was quite correct. The Sansha's nation we fight in game is NOT the same nation the empires destroyed. He's now fighting a desperate guerrilla war, not for vengenace against the empires that defeated him, but to reclaim what he once had against the capsuleer's that have now taken his place...

Because Far-que... That's why.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-12-12 22:38:51 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
the only thing i wonder now is if Sansha's forces are now just True Slaves, i mean, his original idea was that the True Slaves would be the forces to protect his people, after what happened with the empires, he converted all of his supporters in cyborg zombies or he still has non converted followers?


There are. They are called the True Citiziens. Ofc, there are way fewer than True Slaves, and they have little reason to leave Sansha space at all. But they have been seen (and sometimes killed) in the live events involving Sansha forces (the ones before the Incursion expansion, come to mind).

Also, acording to The Burning Life, while there is an huge number of robotic-minded True Slaves, useful for ship combat, workforce and the like, many other jobs require a person capable of thought freedom, such as spies (which aparently they usually implant with at best a tracker, if anything at all). Aparently, the Nation is capable of cherrypicking those skills and emotions that want to remove in their 'citiziens', even being sometimes willingly searched by tortuned souls who want to remove an emotion from their lives.

Da Dom wrote:
I can recall a news article stating that a capsuleer got a probe through one of Sansha's wormholes as his forces were retreating, and images of a Jovian station could be seen at what looked like a rally point. So the OP's argument about Shansha's Nation being hacked and taken over by the sleepers is slightly flawed. (Other than the "Awakened Infomorph", I have not heard of sleepers ever leaving wormhole space) As for it making more sense than Sansha's sudden leap in Jove tech, you only need to look at Jovian/Sleeper lore to find the common link between the two ancient races...


He was talking about Sansha Kuvakei being possessed by the Sleeper AI construct, in the way Jamyl was.
I don't think that's reasonable, if even possible. The construct has little reason to interfere with the plans of a faction that is working already in an 'evil' way and is hated by everybody else in the cluster. He could reap way better profits from controlling any other empire head, like Tibus Heth. And that, assuming that he is capable of controlling more than one person at a given time, which i highly doubt, since he looks to have problem mantaining it over just one.
Mirima Thurander
#8 - 2012-12-17 04:36:40 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
the only thing i wonder now is if Sansha's forces are now just True Slaves, i mean, his original idea was that the True Slaves would be the forces to protect his people, after what happened with the empires, he converted all of his supporters in cyborg zombies or he still has non converted followers?


There are. They are called the True Citiziens. Ofc, there are way fewer than True Slaves, and they have little reason to leave Sansha space at all. But they have been seen (and sometimes killed) in the live events involving Sansha forces (the ones before the Incursion expansion, come to mind).

Also, acording to The Burning Life, while there is an huge number of robotic-minded True Slaves, useful for ship combat, workforce and the like, many other jobs require a person capable of thought freedom, such as spies (which aparently they usually implant with at best a tracker, if anything at all). Aparently, the Nation is capable of cherrypicking those skills and emotions that want to remove in their 'citiziens', even being sometimes willingly searched by tortuned souls who want to remove an emotion from their lives.

Da Dom wrote:
I can recall a news article stating that a capsuleer got a probe through one of Sansha's wormholes as his forces were retreating, and images of a Jovian station could be seen at what looked like a rally point. So the OP's argument about Shansha's Nation being hacked and taken over by the sleepers is slightly flawed. (Other than the "Awakened Infomorph", I have not heard of sleepers ever leaving wormhole space) As for it making more sense than Sansha's sudden leap in Jove tech, you only need to look at Jovian/Sleeper lore to find the common link between the two ancient races...


He was talking about Sansha Kuvakei being possessed by the Sleeper AI construct, in the way Jamyl was.
I don't think that's reasonable, if even possible. The construct has little reason to interfere with the plans of a faction that is working already in an 'evil' way and is hated by everybody else in the cluster. He could reap way better profits from controlling any other empire head, like Tibus Heth. And that, assuming that he is capable of controlling more than one person at a given time, which i highly doubt, since he looks to have problem mantaining it over just one.


Why not the thing wants an army or it would of not been trying to create the dust tec, we soon be getting.

Why put all of its plans in one basket, its going to need a space fleet if its planning any thing, and the thing was born of a advanced VR so taking over the heavily augmented nation would be easy, I even seen some where how the nation use contacts in the empires to purchase sleeper loot.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.