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The Neural Remap Megathread

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#61 - 2012-12-14 05:23:04 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:


While I'm a little skeptical that anyone could keep up 20 bil per week, I would be fine with it due simply to taking that much isk out of the game so often.



Some have unbelievable Tens of Trillions.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#62 - 2012-12-14 05:48:34 UTC
At least we dont have to train learning skills for the first month and a half still


Be happy with what you get and stop being stupid

Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#63 - 2012-12-14 06:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
The CandyGirl wrote:
At least we dont have to train learning skills for the first month and a half still


(sorry so late.....I was listening to Brian Eno's Ambient 4: On Land)


Ain't that the truth. OMG I wiped that from my mind utterly, it was so painful. Did it for 3 toons.

I'll never forget that day I got to re-apply like 2,000,000 + SP or something to other Skills on each.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#64 - 2012-12-14 06:50:08 UTC
4 pages is a megathread?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#65 - 2012-12-14 06:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
4 pages is a megathread?


Weeeellll, methinks the OP was being a bit predictive/premeditative....





edit: but that is hardly the most serious crime on these here threads...

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2012-12-14 07:04:47 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:


On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

So, I ask, how does this make you feel? Should remaps be brought back? Should presents always be cosmetic? Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!


So this would also be the group of people plan on spending money or even better spend it before they earned it and then complain about it.
If you remap do it for something thats worth it like "Guns and Ships"....there is far more than a year of skills in that alone.


Current policy seems fine to me.

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Khorian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-12-14 09:35:30 UTC
Reading all this kind of makes it sound like without remapping you do not train at all. Wich is clearly not the case, you just train slower. You new people really have no idea how it was 5+ years ago do you? You allready have it soo easy, really.

Let's see what you have today:
-Balanced stats from the start
-The ability to change your stat AT ALL
-Stats not dependant on race/school choice
-One remap per year!
-(Bonus) no learning skills

I'm sure I forgot some. Please quit whining and stop watering the game down beyond repair.
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-12-14 10:52:31 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
So, the most recent dev blog talked about Christmas and the celebrations that would be taking place.

Notably absent were neural remaps. We will not be receiving a bonus remap this year.

I've heard people saying this is a good thing (CCP shouldn't give out stuff that has a tangible in-game benefit) and that this is a welcome trend from CCP giving out items that are more than cosmetic.

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

So, I ask, how does this make you feel? Should remaps be brought back? Should presents always be cosmetic? Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!



So people PLANNED to get a free remap for X-Mas? Lol. Nuff said.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-12-14 11:03:06 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
New players don't know enough about the game to know how important remaps are to get right. Some of them burn all their remaps in the first few weeks and don't even realize why that's a bad thing. There should be consequences for your actions, but it shouldn't be impossible to correct your mistake. Make people pay a lot to fix their remap, that's a serious consequence but makes the game more attractive to new players, and veterans can still have more than one remap per year if they're willing to pay for it.

"NEW PLAYER" + "paying A LOT"
do we speak about alts of rich old players? Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-12-14 11:19:52 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Considering the fact that we "have to" train for Destroyers and Battlecruisers V to avoid having to train four times these racial skills later, the idea of another free remap would be more than acceptable :)

hehe... the same "logic" was used for removing learning skills. Because "we all HAVE to train it BEFORE... elsewere ...". I hope it won't work Lol

PS: i still have to see why people HAD TO train those god forgotten learning skills to V before first undock..... What?

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#71 - 2012-12-14 11:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
"...and as Santa looked at all GD threats from the last year he Shocked and screamed:

"WTF?!?!... No bonus remaps this year Evil "

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-12-14 11:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
March rabbit wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Considering the fact that we "have to" train for Destroyers and Battlecruisers V to avoid having to train four times these racial skills later, the idea of another free remap would be more than acceptable :)

hehe... the same "logic" was used for removing learning skills. Because "we all HAVE to train it BEFORE... elsewere ...". I hope it won't work Lol

PS: i still have to see why people HAD TO train those god forgotten learning skills to V before first undock..... What?


I didn't. I'm still on Destroyers III and Battlecruisers III and can still fly everything I could beforehand.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2012-12-14 11:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
March rabbit wrote:

hehe... the same "logic" was used for removing learning skills. Because "we all HAVE to train it BEFORE... elsewere ...". I hope it won't work Lol
No, it's not particularly similar.

He's saying “I have to get SP for free” with a sprinkling of “I want my free SP cheap”. There actually is a due date on that training and there is a small gain to be had if you get your skills high enough by then.

The removal of learning skills was that the longer you waited to train them the worse off you were, and it never had any chance of being reverse. You had to train them because they had such a drastic impact on the training mechanics. There was no due-date — the “worse off” bit continued forever and only ever got increasingly worse. You didn't have to train it in the same sense as you don't have to train Spaceship Command: technically true but realistically braindead if you wanted to do anything connected to the skills in question (viz. train other skills and fly spaceships, respectively).

And anyway, the reason learning skills were removed was because they were a horrible and nonsensical meta-mechanic that screwed over new players something fierce while offering exactly zero gameplay benefits and because the devs themselves hated them pretty much from the day they were implemented.