Ships & Modules

Because balance is not something that is important. Also, you have never mined gas in a wormhole, because if you had, you would know that you can't cloak anywhere NEAR a gas cloud.

Are you suggesting that running 5 Gas harvesters on a ship is in any way unbalanced? Even if bonuses increased the performance by 25% at Mining Frigate 5, this is still balanced. A 100% bonus at level 5 would still be balanced, because for mining it would still be far below the mining barge performance and for gas, most gases are worth very little to start and the null sec gases carry the high risk/danger.

Also, I have mined gas everywhere. Just because the 0m radius of the cloud is very large doesn't mean that you actually have to be in the cloud. GCH (Gas Cloud Harvester) II has a range of 1500m, so pick a spot near that range. When cloaking is desired, a short burn past 2000m renders the ship cloakable. A GCH range increase ship bonus would certainly play better into that role, though.

Are you not okay with that? Or is gas harvesting serious business that you need variety within?

An exhumer, for instance, mines many times faster than a mining Rokh. We call it specialization, not imbalance. If the Venture gets lots of CPU for the gas harvesters but little PG to make it difficult to fit plates/extenders, hybrids, projectiles, and lasers, then it will not likely be a "combat powerhouse".

Oh, and PS to Paikis, if you fly away from the cloud, then at some point your distance to the cloud will increase from 0m. Just fly out until you are at about 1450m away from the cloud (check your overview). The GH IIs will work and you will be almost far enough away to cloak. Just resume flying away and the distance will exceed 2000m at which point you may push cloak. This isn't rocket science and I have done it many times. From the initial dscan contact, your ship is cloaked before the intruders land on grid.

The IQ of this discussion just dropped to the floor with that last post. Me thinks that to you, Shah, OP means "does more than you think it should," and complaining means "suggesting something different." Let's raise the IQ of this discussion back to normal with standards-based reasons why you feel a certain way. Just because a ship has the equivalent of 4 when previously 5 have been easily used does not mean OP. Even if the bonuses made it equivalent to 15 does not make it inherently OP because it may be that 15 (or some number several times bigger than 5) works well for a specialized ship filling a void in the current game structure. So, Shah, re-read the previous discussion and think about the points a little before posting emotion-saturated non-sense.

The Venture has 5.33 effective gas harvesters, not 4. This is already the most effective gas mining ship in the game, and it is only a frigate. Combined with its other bonuses, I'd almost say the Venture is too good currently, and you people want to make it better?

The Griffin and Kitsune are far better ECM boats than any other non-ECM specialized ship in the game, and they are only frigates. OMG! .. Get over it. Specialized frigates can be better than non-specialized non-frigs. Happens all the time. Deal with it.

And hopefully, after CCP finishes with balancing and tierifying the frigates, they will start on the cruisers. And hopefully they will create a Mining Cruiser which performs even better than the Venture for Gas Harvesting.

Edit: Suggestion to CCP to change the name of the skill from Mining Frigate to Gas Harvesting Frigate. If a noob wanted to mine roids very slowly, he probably wouldn't train beyond [racial] frigate IV and the most basic skills for Mining Lasers, so that he could take a regular T1 frig out to mine in HS.

Leave my new t1 inty alone, you inhuman monsters.

*hides his fleet of Ventures*