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Doddy
Excidium.
#21 - 2012-12-11 14:25:18 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Matt Ellis wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
hunting ratters in a cloakie and discovered the new AI sucks....

Hunting is dead...

Somehow need to balance this right here. Ratting is already a printing machine and much of null sec isnt worth it.

It used to be great fun being able to kill drakes in a rapier, Battleships in an arazu why ccp kill this gaming style?


Because the new AI makes sense. If you were the AI, and you were struggling to break the tank on the Drake you were shooting. If another ship warped in, you're telling me you wouldn't have a pop at it? It's called testing the waters. The old system was terrible.

Oh, and us Wormholers have been dealing with this for years now, having to jump people AND tank the sleepers in the sites. Its not broken, and doesnt need to be fixed.

That's ridiculous. You're telling me that if someone was slaughtering your gang and someone else warped in to kill that guy, you would switch to him?

Would it be better if the NPC's warped away if they were losing?

Then PvE would be more like PVP and everyone would have to bring a tackle along in order to kill an NPC, instead of them just being a little more intelligent about who they shoot.


If they did the npcers would need points and would then carry the same threat as the pvper and it would no longer be broken, sounds like a plan.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-12-11 14:29:47 UTC
Except needing to point every single rat to make sure it doesn't warp away would make PVE a gigantic pain in the ass.
I sure hope those at CCP who think such things are a good idea will change their mind or forget about it entirely.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-11 14:31:24 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:


killing ratters is already a tough game style its just become 100 times harder... and before you Worm hole players come on here complaining that you guys have it tough - thats you game style you chose to play that way, i choose to hunt in null sec becuase of its relative "time to chest beating" once a ratter is found is fairly quick.


Nowhere did i say we had it tough. its just different. And actually more complicated than, "JUMP TO HIM AND SHOOT HIM!". Think about how you approach the situation. Its no wonder you null guys warp in and go straight into a site, then wonder why you get jumped by the guys who saw you come in...

Oh, and to all the guys complaining about instant aggro. I actually tried a K-space plex, and didnt really have that issue..
Doddy
Excidium.
#24 - 2012-12-11 14:31:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except needing to point every single rat to make sure it doesn't warp away would make PVE a gigantic pain in the ass.
I sure hope those at CCP who think such things are a good idea will change their mind or forget about it entirely.


Obviously, so instead they can just remove the threat level from points which pose no threat to the npcs anyway as they are not going to warp off.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-11 14:32:06 UTC
Doddy wrote:


If they did the npcers would need points and would then carry the same threat as the pvper and it would no longer be broken, sounds like a plan.

And then a bunch of people would complain that you can't solo PvE anymore.

I do think the AI changes are an improvement, but I don't think that it's the best. It could be better. Like the AI using ships fit the same as players, and ship classes targetting ship classes that those ships are intended to counter, as well as smartly selecting vital ships within a fleet, like logistic ships and such.

It's still better than an AI that required zero thought though.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#26 - 2012-12-11 14:32:07 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:


disagree - null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that - most of the time i use a cloakie arazu since it means i can get about with better odds of getting around and finding stuff to kill... the new AI renders this style dead.

"I have to fly what I'm told to fly to do PvE, and not what I want to fly"

Now there's a BS responce if ever there was one.


stupid goon - PvE? WTF you ****
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#27 - 2012-12-11 14:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: OkaskiKali
Since i do not rat i couldnt care less about how difficult the AI is or if it has become better.

A point here that was made was that if a fleet is loosing they will warp out, in terms of ratters making ISK this wouldn't do much for making null sec the golden nugget.

However if its ccp wish to make PVE more like PVP, then usually if a ship can not be killed the attackers will bring more.... so by that logic NPCs should send for reinforcements.

BUT any AI changes should not kill a gaming stlye..
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-11 14:43:25 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:


disagree - null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that - most of the time i use a cloakie arazu since it means i can get about with better odds of getting around and finding stuff to kill... the new AI renders this style dead.

"I have to fly what I'm told to fly to do PvE, and not what I want to fly"

Now there's a BS responce if ever there was one.


stupid goon - PvE? WTF you ****

"stupid"

With improper capitalization and complete lack of grammar.

Obviously, I am the stupid one.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#29 - 2012-12-11 14:46:11 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:


disagree - null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that - most of the time i use a cloakie arazu since it means i can get about with better odds of getting around and finding stuff to kill... the new AI renders this style dead.

"I have to fly what I'm told to fly to do PvE, and not what I want to fly"

Now there's a BS responce if ever there was one.


stupid goon - PvE? WTF you ****

"stupid"

With improper capitalization and complete lack of grammar.

Obviously, I am the stupid one.


Reported....

Thanks for stopping by you troll.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-12-11 14:48:34 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:


disagree - null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that - most of the time i use a cloakie arazu since it means i can get about with better odds of getting around and finding stuff to kill... the new AI renders this style dead.

"I have to fly what I'm told to fly to do PvE, and not what I want to fly"

Now there's a BS responce if ever there was one.


stupid goon - PvE? WTF you ****

"stupid"

With improper capitalization and complete lack of grammar.

Obviously, I am the stupid one.


Reported....

Thanks for stopping by you troll.


You're reporting him for calling you stupid, after you called him stupid?

Really?

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-11 14:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
HVAC Repairman wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
[quote=Natsett Amuinn
"I have to fly what I'm told to fly to do PvE, and not what I want to fly"

Now there's a BS responce if ever there was one.


stupid goon - PvE? WTF you ****

"stupid"

With improper capitalization and complete lack of grammar.

Obviously, I am the stupid one.


Reported....

Thanks for stopping by you troll.


You're reporting him for calling you stupid, after you called him stupid?

Really?[/quote]
Actually, I didn't call him stupid.

I pointed out that he started a sentence with "supid"; uncapitalized, and continued on with zero grammar.

Obviously he's not very bright, sinse not only is he the guy that flat out said he can't fly the ship he wants because in null you have to fly what your told, a lie or a really bad corp he's in, he also reported me for being called stupid.

Obviously, I'm a complete idiot.
The OP, a consummate genius.
Doc J
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#32 - 2012-12-11 14:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc J
HVAC Repairman wrote:


You're reporting him for calling you stupid, after you called him stupid?

Really?


Looks like to me your man came on here without reading the post properly and started trolling from minute 1.

I'd report him may be then these forums would stop being like mine fields everytime someone has something to say. Of which I do tend to agree with the OP that the new AI has kinda killed the point of hunting.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2012-12-11 14:55:16 UTC
So this boils down to wanting the new AI to put less emphasis on attacking ships using a point.

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Doc J
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#34 - 2012-12-11 14:56:40 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


I pointed out that he started a sentence with "supid"; uncapitalized, and continued on with zero grammar.

Obviously he's not very bright, sinse not only is he the guy that flat out said he can't fly the ship he wants because in null you have to fly what your told, a lie or a really bad corp he's in, he also reported me for being called stupid.

Obviously, I'm a complete idiot.
The OP, a consummate genius.


No where in this post does he say that he can not fly the ship he wants - he is talking about the new AI killing the reason for hunting.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-11 14:56:48 UTC
Doc J wrote:
HVAC Repairman wrote:


You're reporting him for calling you stupid, after you called him stupid?

Really?


Looks like to me your man came on here without reading the post properly and started trolling from minute 1.

I'd report him may be then these forums would stop being like mine fields everytime someone has something to say. Of which I do tend to agree with the OP that the new AI has kinda killed the point of hunting.

You didn't read this?
Quote:

disagree - null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that - most of the time i use a cloakie arazu since it means i can get about with better odds of getting around and finding stuff to kill... the new AI renders this style dead.

That's the OP trying to imply that he can't fly what he wants when he's out solo ganking because he lives in null.

If you agree with that, then you're as wrong as he is.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-11 14:59:19 UTC
Doc J wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


I pointed out that he started a sentence with "supid"; uncapitalized, and continued on with zero grammar.

Obviously he's not very bright, sinse not only is he the guy that flat out said he can't fly the ship he wants because in null you have to fly what your told, a lie or a really bad corp he's in, he also reported me for being called stupid.

Obviously, I'm a complete idiot.
The OP, a consummate genius.


No where in this post does he say that he can not fly the ship he wants - he is talking about the new AI killing the reason for hunting.

Now, I find out in a couple of days if I do indeed have Huntingtons, one symptom of that lovely disorder is dementia; so i won't say that I didn't imagine the op wrote:

Quote:
null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that


It very well could be that none of this is actually happening, and it's all in my head. However, sinse I'm debating, I'm confident it really did happen.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#37 - 2012-12-11 15:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: OkaskiKali
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Now, I find out in a couple of days if I do indeed have Huntingtons, one symptom of that lovely disorder is dementia; so i won't say that I didn't imagine the op wrote:

Quote:
null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that


It very well could be that none of this is actually happening, and it's all in my head. However, sinse I'm debating, I'm confident it really did happen.


Quote:


I dont use tengu since i tend to prefer fighting in blob areas hence the reason for using recons.



Quote:


So basically, you want CCP to revert the changes because, if i may... you can't(more, "i don't want to") adjust your playstyle. From one standpoint, the old AI was thick! And in no way represented a proper fight!

CCP aren't going to revert back the target-switching, so you might as well try to adjust. If not, can i have you arazu?


Looks to me I was replying to a response about someone using a tengu? Like i said didnt read the post.
Doddy
Excidium.
#38 - 2012-12-11 15:10:09 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
So this boils down to wanting the new AI to put less emphasis on attacking ships using a point.


Yep, but being GD only 1 in 10 actually understands this, the rest are too busy flaming each other. Currently if you warp in on a ratter the rats will ignore you, then when you put a point on the ratter they will suddenly become his best friends. The dps isn't too bad as most styles of pvp ship are too small or quick for many rats to hit, but the ewar is a pita.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2012-12-11 15:12:12 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
Listen

point 1: some of you need to get some intelligence and think about what you write

point 2: the point of hunting ratters solo and to a degree in a gang is to catch them in belts and anoms and for that to happen you need fast stuff or cloakie. the new AI has killed this gaming stlye (and for those of you with no brain hunting ratters, and huting them solo in recons or in gang of small stuff)




I think you need to take your own advice.

FC, what do?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-12-11 15:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
OkaskiKali wrote:


Looks to me I was replying to a response about someone using a tengu? Like i said didnt read the post.

In no context is this:
Quote:
null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that

correct.

You wrote it. What you repsonded to isn't rellevant to the exact wording you chose to use to make your point.

If you'r FORCED to fly specific ships while solo pvpingt then you need to find a better corp. You ARE NOT forced to fly something specific while solo pvping, which is what you're saying you can't do anymore, because you live in null.

A lie is a lie, it doesn't stop being a lie because. You wrote it, and there is no other possible context other than exactly what it says.
Quote:
null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that

And that is a lie.
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