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Why does nullsec care so much about what highsec is doing?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#521 - 2012-12-16 00:35:13 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:

Well then oh wise one. Do tell me what weaknesses can be exploited if you face the biggest alliances? Anything that can cause serious economic damage over time.

Anything apart from having a huge blob fleet of your own that takes out PoS's that is.

Send us all of the bittcoins and we might be too distracted to do anything else.

Why are you telling them to bribe us with shinies?

Oh, shiny...

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#522 - 2012-12-16 00:43:48 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
:words: :words: :words:


A hulk pre-EHP buff could be tanked to 20k EHP with minimal effort. The mack required more effort to do so but it was still possible. I don't care about any silly agenda you are basically :foxnews:, spouting talking points, refusing to corroborate anything, and thinking that if you can shout louder than the other guy it means your argument was right.


Well we are different, I always care about what the other say. Else why are you even on a forum? You could as well paint a big "I WON'T HEAR YOU TRALALALALA!" giant poster and stare at it all day long.

Where di I say Macks could not be tanked? I said they could, even if that required to be a bait fit (that is, nominally capable to perform the role).

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#523 - 2012-12-16 00:47:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:

Well then oh wise one. Do tell me what weaknesses can be exploited if you face the biggest alliances? Anything that can cause serious economic damage over time.

Anything apart from having a huge blob fleet of your own that takes out PoS's that is.

Send us all of the bittcoins and we might be too distracted to do anything else.

Why are you telling them to bribe us with shinies?

Oh, shiny...


Me and one of my friend use to say we had ADOS. Attention Deficit Oh Shiny!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#524 - 2012-12-16 01:07:54 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:

Well then oh wise one. Do tell me what weaknesses can be exploited if you face the biggest alliances? Anything that can cause serious economic damage over time.

Anything apart from having a huge blob fleet of your own that takes out PoS's that is.

Send us all of the bittcoins and we might be too distracted to do anything else.

Why are you telling them to bribe us with shinies?

Oh, shiny...

Me and one of my friend use to say we had ADOS. Attention Deficit Oh Shiny!

Our weakness, it was discovered.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#525 - 2012-12-16 01:15:07 UTC
27 pages.

Really ???

(thinks)


My GOD...27 PAGES !!!

My God the same crap around and around in an electronic demonstration of Ouroboros.


Never a conclusion, never will be.

Hot air tossed back and forth over nothing.

Think you will WIN this thread and topic or something ? Why bother ?

And why are you not focusing ingame which is the point is it not. You came here for just this ??

Wow.

But carry on with acting out the definition of insanity.

We are not proud of you lot.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#526 - 2012-12-16 01:24:53 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Knock it off.

Bumping and blowing up ships in EVE is not a problem, it's a part of the game.

Want to champion a cause to get more people into EVE? Then start asking for new, interesting content, that people would come to EVE to play.


I introduce you to my last 20 posts in the feedback thread. Oh wait, I am providing feedback in the feeback thread, how could you read that, eh?



Natsett Amuinn wrote:

"i want EVE to grow so I'm going to do my best to convince CCP that high sec needs to be safer." That's one fo the biggest loads of nonsense posted in this thread yet.


Hmm what about no? You may as well copy and paste my own words instead of creating new ones.
If anything half a year ago or so I have created a thread in the suggestion forum about removing hi sec completely except for starting systems.
Despite it's not my prime choice, I am not against increasing the playerbase with more "warm meat", however and that's due to YOUR corp requiring more EvE players in order to play your campaings with less secondary effects. It's not my choice, it's your ripple effects causing nerfs on other PvPers.
If you were "just" 3k players then you'd cause not enough issues on the other PvPers.



Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Some of us play EVE for the game it IS, not for the game YOU think it should be, and we really don't appreciate you trying to get it changed to suit you.


Well considering the endless amount of posts where you guys try change the game to suit YOU, I'd find it just fair to return the favor.


Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Because as noble as you think you are, you're not doing anything "for CCP's benefit", you just want the game changed to suit you and be more representative of what YOU think EVE should be.

High sec is already much safer then it was when I first came here in '05.
Please drop the agenda, and quit ******* with my EVE.


"We want to ruin YOUR game". That's your motto, feel free to get your own medicine back.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#527 - 2012-12-16 01:26:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:

Well then oh wise one. Do tell me what weaknesses can be exploited if you face the biggest alliances? Anything that can cause serious economic damage over time.

Anything apart from having a huge blob fleet of your own that takes out PoS's that is.

Send us all of the bittcoins and we might be too distracted to do anything else.

Why are you telling them to bribe us with shinies?

Oh, shiny...

Me and one of my friend use to say we had ADOS. Attention Deficit Oh Shiny!

Our weakness, it was discovered.


They can't possibly send enough to really distract all of you for a long time.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#528 - 2012-12-16 02:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
I love these threads, so full of crap from all sides its amazing to read just how badly people think.

First about the risk Vs Rewards.

Null sec folks say that highsec players get too much money for too little risk. They point out that they live in the most dangerous space in eve and should therefore be rewarded far greater then high sec players.

This is in fact totally bullsh!t. Null sec isn't even the second most dangerous space in eve. The list goes, Losec > Wormhole > Null > Empire.

If any change is to be made in the isk vs risk area, then any increase in null should be used to also increase space far more dangerous then it.

The second lie about null is that Trit is hard to get. Its not, its in every single belt in null. What people mean, is BS rats are a pain, and having a BS to kill them while mining in an none grav site area is too hard for us. Null guys are too lazy to get trit and so Jump it in, while mining higher end rocks that devalue because every idiot mines them all day.

A lot of bitching gets put in over AFK, because EveryoneRollRoll know all miners are afk or botsRoll. This too is total bullsh!t. Many player happily sit in groups mining rocks and talking to one another for steady income. Some players multibox with tools like Isboxer, this gives them the image of a bot, without actually being one.

Then there is the move L4s to losec. "Cause that will get people into losec where its dangerous"Roll. Again, another lie. This will get people running L3s. Which will get done faster, but given there rewards are lower but their loot is for ships flown in greater numbers, would see peoples income drop some but not as much people would think.

A nice lie about null is that everyone is blue. I myself have said it. They're not really, sure a couple groups have stupidly blued 10,000 people greatly reducing there targets. On the whole however, fights happen, ships die and the cycle begins from rocks to explosion.

The whole idea that everyone in Null is Elite while everyone in empire is a noob, is the last stupid thing often said in threads like these.

Its all pretty simple if you actually think about it. Each space is there to be played, given the different rules is it any wonder people play differently?

Isn't the best answer to this constant pissing contest about nothing meaningful at all just, Play however the fcuk you want, and be prepared for someone else to be as well?

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#529 - 2012-12-16 02:01:57 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
:words: :words: :words:


A hulk pre-EHP buff could be tanked to 20k EHP with minimal effort. The mack required more effort to do so but it was still possible. I don't care about any silly agenda you are basically :foxnews:, spouting talking points, refusing to corroborate anything, and thinking that if you can shout louder than the other guy it means your argument was right.


Well we are different, I always care about what the other say. Else why are you even on a forum? You could as well paint a big "I WON'T HEAR YOU TRALALALALA!" giant poster and stare at it all day long.

Where di I say Macks could not be tanked? I said they could, even if that required to be a bait fit (that is, nominally capable to perform the role).


Its not that I won't hear you, its that I won't give any time of day to your talking points and that I expect you to support your points with evidence. Instead of being a :foxnews: dude you could you know cite some of these statistics you claim exist and actually try to prove your points.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#530 - 2012-12-16 02:14:14 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Null sec folks say that highsec players get too much money for too little risk. They point out that they live in the most dangerous space in eve and should therefore be rewarded far greater then high sec players.

This is in fact totally bullsh!t. Null sec isn't even the second most dangerous space in eve. The list goes, Losec > Wormhole > Null > Empire.?


An area of space is as safe as the players make it. Highsec cannot factor in to this because it is made safer by CCP through various mechanics with no input by the players.

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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#531 - 2012-12-16 02:38:19 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Null sec folks say that highsec players get too much money for too little risk. They point out that they live in the most dangerous space in eve and should therefore be rewarded far greater then high sec players.

This is in fact totally bullsh!t. Null sec isn't even the second most dangerous space in eve. The list goes, Losec > Wormhole > Null > Empire.?


An area of space is as safe as the players make it. Highsec cannot factor in to this because it is made safer by CCP through various mechanics with no input by the players.


Not true, empire players can make space safer if they want to. Don't see many Skiffs getting blapped, Mission Drakes seem largely unganked.

Sure empire can't bubble every entrances to your pve system to slow people down, but ships choice is still a choice. After that, if someone wants to waste six Talos hulls to kill a drake of skiff, then so be it. Its also now extremely cheap to slap four Osprays into your corp mining fleet.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#532 - 2012-12-16 02:54:14 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Null sec folks say that highsec players get too much money for too little risk. They point out that they live in the most dangerous space in eve and should therefore be rewarded far greater then high sec players.

This is in fact totally bullsh!t. Null sec isn't even the second most dangerous space in eve. The list goes, Losec > Wormhole > Null > Empire.?


An area of space is as safe as the players make it. Highsec cannot factor in to this because it is made safer by CCP through various mechanics with no input by the players.


Well technically if they tried to work together, high sec could create an intel channel but most of them are just worried about thier own small things insetad of the benefit of everyone so they stay silent as long as nothing ahppens to them. Setting a public watch list would be something they could do but it really won't happen. It's all "ME ME ME" and no "US" so they never help each other and would rather have thier own private belt to mine and such.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#533 - 2012-12-16 03:00:27 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Not true, empire players can make space safer if they want to. Don't see many Skiffs getting blapped, Mission Drakes seem largely unganked.

Sure empire can't bubble every entrances to your pve system to slow people down, but ships choice is still a choice. After that, if someone wants to waste six Talos hulls to kill a drake of skiff, then so be it. Its also now extremely cheap to slap four Osprays into your corp mining fleet.

Yeah CCP buffing those Skiffs was definitely a great way for empire players to prevent themselves from being ganked.

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Ginger Barbarella
#534 - 2012-12-16 03:01:16 UTC
After 27 pages how could they POSSIBLY care anymore?!?!?!? Roll

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#535 - 2012-12-16 03:31:04 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
After 27 pages how could they POSSIBLY care anymore?!?!?!? Roll


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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#536 - 2012-12-16 03:44:43 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Null sec folks say that highsec players get too much money for too little risk. They point out that they live in the most dangerous space in eve and should therefore be rewarded far greater then high sec players.

This is in fact totally bullsh!t. Null sec isn't even the second most dangerous space in eve. The list goes, Losec > Wormhole > Null > Empire.?


An area of space is as safe as the players make it. Highsec cannot factor in to this because it is made safer by CCP through various mechanics with no input by the players.


Not true, empire players can make space safer if they want to. Don't see many Skiffs getting blapped, Mission Drakes seem largely unganked.

Sure empire can't bubble every entrances to your pve system to slow people down, but ships choice is still a choice. After that, if someone wants to waste six Talos hulls to kill a drake of skiff, then so be it. Its also now extremely cheap to slap four Osprays into your corp mining fleet.


You don't see many mission Drakes being ganked because they aren't worth ganking (except that one guy who had a bunch of officer mods on his mission Drake) & you don't see many Skiffs being ganked for the same reason. Actually, you don't see many Skiffs at all because they aren't viable as an AFK mining boat.

Players can do a few things to make what ever activity less risky for them, but in general most of the work has already been done for them by CCP. It's fairly common to see threads of highsec denizens wanting mechanics changed instead of using their own initiative to mitigate the risks. Highsec could be a lot safer than it is but I can't see this ever happening, because it's easier for them to do nothing about it.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#537 - 2012-12-16 04:14:13 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Players can do a few things to make what ever activity less risky for them, but in general most of the work has already been done for them by CCP. It's fairly common to see threads of highsec denizens wanting mechanics changed instead of using their own initiative to mitigate the risks. Highsec could be a lot safer than it is but I can't see this ever happening, because it's easier for them to do nothing about it.

Indeed, it's the optimal solution to have mechanics changed, since you don't have to put in continual effort. Once you get buffed, you generally keep it.

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Harland White
Adventurer's Guild
#538 - 2012-12-16 04:28:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Null sec folks say that highsec players get too much money for too little risk. They point out that they live in the most dangerous space in eve and should therefore be rewarded far greater then high sec players.

This is in fact totally bullsh!t. Null sec isn't even the second most dangerous space in eve. The list goes, Losec > Wormhole > Null > Empire.?


An area of space is as safe as the players make it. Highsec cannot factor in to this because it is made safer by CCP through various mechanics with no input by the players.


Yep. Get over it. Not changing.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#539 - 2012-12-16 04:30:00 UTC
Harland White wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Null sec folks say that highsec players get too much money for too little risk. They point out that they live in the most dangerous space in eve and should therefore be rewarded far greater then high sec players.

This is in fact totally bullsh!t. Null sec isn't even the second most dangerous space in eve. The list goes, Losec > Wormhole > Null > Empire.?


An area of space is as safe as the players make it. Highsec cannot factor in to this because it is made safer by CCP through various mechanics with no input by the players.


Yep. Get over it. Not changing.

No, wait !

We still need to buff CONCORD more, or freighters... something, anything to reduce ganking !

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#540 - 2012-12-16 04:51:50 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
they aren't worth ganking

For those reading this who can't figure out whether something is "worth ganking" for profit, you can use this interactive tool I made to get a ballpark estimate of how gankable something is.

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