EVE General Discussion

Too bad. That's highsec, warm and caring.

Unlike EVE, cold and harsh.

Poor Goon has a persecution complex. Its still your own fault.

Is this were we ask about your sov, your CSAA, your POS, your blob etc, which was taken/destroyed/exploded by us?

Some EVEO GD Forums reference to dolls, of all things?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=RdopMqrftXs&feature=endscreen
let it be

Besides Macks could not be really made anywhere near survivable unless going all out "bait fit", that's not the point.

Now I will try and repeat again the same thing I have said plenty of times in the past.

It's all on the same "trail of thought" that brought the boomerang nerf and it IS due to CCP statistics.

See, as long as "average Joes corp" do their 5-10 ganks a day, their 3-4 boomerangs a day, their 10 bumps a day, NOBODY will nerf that. It's "artisan work", actually you can have a dozen of those corps doing it at any given time and you'll just get some sparse GD whining from the targets.


Now enter the Elephant in the Crystalware.

Enter a mega-alliance - actually THE top alliance - with 10k members. They have their own economists at work. They have nearly infinite ISK and manpower and manufacturing power. They can dictate and make whole markets. They can throw 100 suicide gank ships with the same ease others can throw 5.
They can basically shutdown whole sections of the game just because.
They industrialize what others made as artisans. Average Joes gank 5 guys? You gank 16000. Average Joes do 3 boomerangs? You do 500. And post detailed how to boomerang guides on GD so that everybody and their mother start doing it. And so on and on.

So it's not the quality of your gameplay (which I have absolutely nothing against and I look forward to sponsor!) but the quantity.

Once you pass a thresold CCP deems as the maximum the game can sustain, they intervene. So boomerang's gone. Barges got buffed and so on.
Without wanting you caused the nerfs that put average Joes hi sec PvP guilds out of the game.

Everything has to be done with measure, EvE is a small game, and you know that means ~consequences~ for your too big actions happen.



Edit: and this closes the circle I was trying to tell to Malcanis but I know my English wording is poor and verbose

My agenda - as he speaks about - is to enlarge the markets but also to get EvE to 1M players, even if that means to have more hi sec dumbs. AFTER we reach the critical mass, then the game can sustain large scale operations like Goons do.
As long as we are just 37k or so online peeps, we just can't afford losing 10k because a corp decided to have a campaign. It's sad but true. Done in other MMOs, 10k is like a small fart, but in EvE it's a sizable portion of subs going out.

Aren't the Goon campaigns meant to prove how a current system doesn't work? If so, I'm not understanding the argument.

Should be going according to plan if CCP does instill a fix, or if people start complaining.

Let me reiterate just to make sure I am understanding (I can be dense sometimes and need things spelled out time and time again)-

Goons find an issue with something that doesn't work as well as it should. They post/alert CCP to the known issue, CCP does nothing, Goons therefore reinforce their point with more intensity of said issue, people complain, CCP fixes issue.

If the above is indeed correct, then I don't understand why Goons are arguing the point. Or even feel the need to defend if they are blamed. I thought that was the point. If I am incorrect, please explain to me what this argument between the Goons and huddled masses is about?

Disclaimer-

Even at the cost of my own ships lost in the past, I respect what Goons do even if I get caught in the crossfire and don't like it at the time =P.

Where on earth are you getting "10,000 players quit eve because of Hulkageddon" from?

The barge EHP buff was uncalled for as ganking was only profitable if the person refused to tank their ship. The player completely controlled how gankable they were. They would have to choose between tank or yield yet instead a loud minority howled on the forums and CCP caved to them. Now they get to have all of the tank and all of the yield they could ever want. Yet all other ships must still make fitting choices, why should mining ships be exempt from this? Another good question, why should people who make bad/risky decisions be intrinsically unprofitable to gank?

But that's ********. I agree with you, a ship is a ship whether it's based on combat, freighting, mining, scanning or ewar.

I understand the need to increase cargohold for ore in regards to escalation and growth, but revamping the EHP of a mining barge because people care more about yield as opposed to survivability should be the cost of fitting, not CCP's problem.

yeah cause we all know Goons dont have an agenda

the Goon is strong in this thread lol