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Why does nullsec care so much about what highsec is doing?

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Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#181 - 2012-12-12 00:48:40 UTC
Allow me to try and answer why Nullsec dwellers have such an interest in Highsec.

One word; Logistics.

We have the minerals, PI goods, whatever, but producing everything in Null is impossible. We just don't have the Manufacturing slots for it. I doubt we would even be able to produce enough ammo for the Alliance.

We mine(ib4 Nullbears mine lolololol), and export to highsec. There we either have alts who can manufacture, or we dump it at Jita, and import all the other crap (Ships, mods, ammo, etc etc etc.) we need.

We need you, you don't need us. We have more risk, and the only protection we have are our allies. If we stop mining, we lose income(Not the ratters obviously), but you would never even feel it. The highsec Miners will just continue being AFK. Jump Bridges can only do so much.

TL;DR Read it.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#182 - 2012-12-12 00:50:32 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:

I can honestly say I have never been gank or ganked anyone in hi-sec. Have been in a few WD and roams in null. Problem is there is no data available to determine one way or the other. i could be wrong..have been before and will be in the future. What I do know is you and people like you who have multiple account also have pilots in hi-sec. So yes the null player may not journey all the way from null to gank a hi-sec miner, but you sure can log on to your hi-sec alt and do it. So yea majority of the pilots doing the ganking may in fact be hi-sec pilots but the strings are still being pulled by low/null bears.

I am not saying there arent any good people in goofs because I know some personaly. Please dont come here and try to make it seem like your goofs dont gank in hi-sec or try to control the market or try to manipulate any thing you can get your grubby little fingers in. I may have been born at night but it wasnt last night.

It doesnt matter who the person is or where they come from that kills the miner. What matters is you and people like you try to justify it as pvp/sandbox or what ever other word you can come up with. Its invasive and exploiting of mechanics to impose your CONTROL over someone else because you can and you want to be asshats.

Just because something can be done doesnt mean it should be done.

I know high sec people gank. I've been ganked by high sec people, while mining no less.


Not everyone that wants to blow up ships wants to play in null or even low.

Me flying around high sec is about as enjoyable as it would be for you to fly around in Deklein. It's stressful and nerve racking. Yes, I feel much, much safer in null. WE make it safer, the way concord makes hgh sec safer. (some of you can keep throwing out the sea of blue all you like; as if it's an insult and you're not living in one yourself. Ours is entirely player driven though; not developer imposed.)

I don't fault anyone for not enjoying flying around and living places were they feel like every ship in local wants to blow them up. I don't enjoy it either.

Not to mention, not everyone wants to be in a player corp. I used to run a 200 man wow guild. When I stopped doing that and started spending more time in EVE, I had zero desire in get involved with a corp; I'd had enough and needed a break from that kind of stuff. Not everyone playing MMO's even enjoys playing in a corp, or guild, or clan, or whatever you want to call it. That's fine.

Some of those people, want to blow you up.
You know, some people actually do turn their pvp flags on while playing on a PvE server in other MMO's. There are far, far more people living in high sec than null. There are far, far more people living in high than are null sec alts. When you get ganked, it's very likely a high sec player.

And yes, it absolutely should be done. In fact, CCP bullt an entire game aroud that very premise. You may have heard of it, EVE online?

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2012-12-12 00:52:02 UTC
4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people
how ironic
Six Blade Knife
Doomheim
#184 - 2012-12-12 01:14:39 UTC
My 2 ISK:

Null: We should make more money because we are in riskier space, but we can't because we don't have enough industry to support our constant wars out here, and thus are slaves to HS industrialists who make bank with little or no risk, or have to play in HS ourselves to pay for our Null adventures.

HS: There is minimal risk making my ISK, and I like that...null is scary, and I don't like wars. I like to make stuff and kill npc pirates for legal bounties. I like to fly around in my shiney ships, I like fun and making ISK, leave me alone.

RL: Soldiers die and fight and make ****** pay in risky parts of the world, they fight for corporate interests and often corporate profits...it is a risky low paid career choice.
RL: Industrialists sit in comfy offices making bank and have fun in there yachts...all thanks to selling their goods to mercenaries and legit armies who die in the process of depleting corporate stockpiles of ammo and vehicles...don't worry, keep fighting, we will make moar!

Me: Where is the problem? All seems to work as people intend things to work.
Frying Doom
#185 - 2012-12-12 01:20:22 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people
how ironic

Couple of hundred more and it will almost balance out Smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#186 - 2012-12-12 01:40:10 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people
how ironic


Sadly if we ever got a dev blog that *at least* acknowledged they understand they will have to add more production slots to player owned stations, to revamp POSes so living at a POS would not be so much a sh!t (I had to do it both in null and in a WH, figures Cry), that they understand that good refineries are a basic facility... maybe all the constant hi vs null barrage would subside a bit.

But it's like talking about the inventory or the jukebox: it's filtered out keywords that CCP ignore in the most profound way.

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#187 - 2012-12-12 01:42:09 UTC
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
First you need to understand the fact that we play a game in a single shard world (as i said), second you need to understand that this is a sandbox game with a 100% player economy.

Then, you will knowledge that the economy in the game need to have a balance, otherwise it will "Implode". Players in Highsec cant have 100% risk free game and cant make ISK as they want.

Even if you think otherwise, pure High Sec dwellers think only on themselves and that behavior (just let me be in my corner!) its selfish and wont help the game improve.

Economy needs balance and that wont be possible to accomplish with 100% free game for a big portion of this population.

Are you for real? 100% risk free, excuse me ever hear of a gank? Exploding in missions? And hi sec PVP? I have lost more ships in hi then anywhere else, granted I've lived mostly in hi but when I buy T-2 items it's because of null supplying them with the materials you can only obtain down there, so selfish? No.

You talk of improving the game how can hi sec help you do that? I see dying to you're free ganks and blobs and roaming gangs, this way you get that lol you want, hi sec didn't blue all you're neighbors you did, just because you want to kill kill kill kill kill so you can laugh and grief and troll so you feel good, ONE REASON, the superior feeling you miss because IRL you don't get that thrill.

Balance for who, hi sec has been nerfed many times already, missions drop doodoo loot, even the grav spawns give what...omber whoopy doodoo, when I was in null the grav's were full of only hi end ores and belts too! Officer mods dropping, hi rat bounties AND any corp holding SOV can control how things spawn to a point.
If stuff from null isn't fetching higher prices blame that at the guy in the null mirror.

You're selling Carbon Credits my friend, I ante buying.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2012-12-12 01:47:07 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people
how ironic

Couple of hundred more and it will almost balance out Smile

Yeah you keep saying that, but all I see on the first page of threads is highseccers posting about 0.0, usually with some histrionic self-martyrization thrown in

why, I don't know
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#189 - 2012-12-12 01:59:27 UTC
Because the truth is, Null sec isn't worth it and deep down they all know it.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#190 - 2012-12-12 02:13:08 UTC
For clarification on the many ways carebears affect null players and the threat they pose to ALL of EVE, see the manifestos and themittani.com articles of James 315

I don't hate them, I merely recognize that they must be purged. Nothing personal, I'm just operating under the pretense that carebears are the enemy and must be indiscriminately slaughtered until there are no more left. You guys should be happy you have a competent enemy.

\o/ CAREBEAR HOLOCAUST! (because highsec isn't going to cleanse itself)

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#191 - 2012-12-12 02:23:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Should hi seccers earn 3M per hour to earn the paid privilege to play EvE? 10M? 5M?

Tell the numbers, show you have the gonads to talk with a straight face.



I don't care how much they make per hour, per mission, per loyalty point or any of that other nonsense, as long as they don't care that me blowing them up and taking their stuff is perfectly viable within current game mechanics.

Oh you have killrights? Come get me.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#192 - 2012-12-12 02:27:21 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:

I can honestly say I have never been gank or ganked anyone in hi-sec. .


I ganked a pod during the Burn Jita thing many months ago does that count?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ocih
Space Mermaids
#193 - 2012-12-12 02:34:09 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
For clarification on the many ways carebears affect null players and the threat they pose to ALL of EVE, see the manifestos and themittani.com articles of James 315

I don't hate them, I merely recognize that they must be purged. Nothing personal, I'm just operating under the pretense that carebears are the enemy and must be indiscriminately slaughtered until there are no more left. You guys should be happy you have a competent enemy.

\o/ CAREBEAR HOLOCAUST! (because highsec isn't going to cleanse itself)


Because it's easier than breaking the NAP train Mexican stand off in null.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#194 - 2012-12-12 02:47:04 UTC
In reply to topic: because theyre bored.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tesal
#195 - 2012-12-12 04:57:39 UTC
Speaking for all the hi-sec players, we surrender now. Does that help?
Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#196 - 2012-12-12 05:14:37 UTC
No, it does not... Start cranking out ammo!
Frying Doom
#197 - 2012-12-12 05:17:33 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
For clarification on the many ways carebears affect null players and the threat they pose to ALL of EVE, see the manifestos and themittani.com articles of James 315

I don't hate them, I merely recognize that they must be purged. Nothing personal, I'm just operating under the pretense that carebears are the enemy and must be indiscriminately slaughtered until there are no more left. You guys should be happy you have a competent enemy.

\o/ CAREBEAR HOLOCAUST! (because highsec isn't going to cleanse itself)

Yes go the Elite cowards of EvE.

Hide behind the hi-sec mechanics so you cannot get ganked and then pretend you are in some way shape or form not just insignificant.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#198 - 2012-12-12 05:18:54 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Should hi seccers earn 3M per hour to earn the paid privilege to play EvE? 10M? 5M?

Tell the numbers, show you have the gonads to talk with a straight face.



I don't care how much they make per hour, per mission, per loyalty point or any of that other nonsense, as long as they don't care that me blowing them up and taking their stuff is perfectly viable within current game mechanics.

Oh you have killrights? Come get me.

Not really a Null point of view when you are talking about fighting within Hi-sec. Makes you more of a Hi-sec person than Null.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#199 - 2012-12-12 05:19:09 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:

Hisec players on average (not every case, but on average) have little to no understanding of the big picture, only care about isk/hour, do not believe in risk vs. reward, cry about everything they do not like, make the most god awful game suggestions, boggle down the petition system with the most inane drivel, complain incessantly about representation on the CSM, make the most god awful posts, are nearly universally incapable of deductive reasoning, start the most ridiculous tinfoil conspiracy theories, believe that suicide gankers should be banned for griefing, want hisec to be completely safe, and generally want to see EVE die in the same way that Ultima Online did.

I don't begrudge people who play the game in the style they prefer, I begrudge people who don't want other players to be able to play theirs.


Best post.
Roosevelt Coltrane
Rupakaya
#200 - 2012-12-12 05:31:14 UTC
Truth:

Most people don't care.

Most people think E-uni is a good idea, even if they would never be a member

Most people think mining is fine, even if they find it mind numbingly boring

Most people think running missions is fine, even if they find it lacking challenge, dull and repetitive

Maybe they will come and harass you... but its all in fun

But some people have low self esteem and look to a video game for their self worth

You can identify them because they will put down the way another chooses to play

Hisec putting down null.... null hating hisec. Both have low self esteem. Truth.