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Extremely discouraged from EVE, please lend a hand?

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Lady Hestia
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2012-12-11 02:59:05 UTC
Hi everyone,

I've been playing EVE on and off for a long time. Quite a few years. I started out mining, then continued to mine, had other accounts to do missions, etc, then I maxed out all of my mining, refining, etc.

Then, at some point I decided that two of my accounts would have battleships, and I'd run L4's with them. When I tried to do that, I found that neither ship could survive long enough in L4's to complete the mission before it expired. I spent some time training skills, a few months, and when I returned the results were not much different.

I even spent some time in Red vs Blue only to find the disorganized outfit to be a complete waste of time.



I stopped playing for a while, and now that I have come back, a friend who is not that bright is trying to get me to join a big corp he is in. We're going to null sec to do operations there, but so much has already ****ed me up already.

My friend insisted I sell my hulk because I wouldn't need it, as I was going to fight rats in null sec. I protested, but eventually caved and agreed. Then him and I tried to do L4's and I constantly had to leave just like I always did, and even after playing with my fits, it still seems impossible. Now, other people are telling me I should have not sold my hulk so I can mine stuff in null sec.

I feel like a jack ass because everything I like to do has been so difficult. Now with the new PVE AI, I have such a hard time getting anything done.

I am now aware that the Algos (new Gallentean destroyer) is better at PVP than PVE, but when I bought one and fitted it and went into a L2 mission (working on standings with a specific corp), I nearly died on the first salvo of weapons.

I was so angry at my massive failure, while I was previously so excited about buying the Algos, a ship I really like.


I don't know what to do, really. When I started playing years ago I was always worried that you needed years worth of skills to do anything in this game, and people always reassured me. And yet, I am not so sure.

At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult.

What advice can you guys lend to me? Naturally, I am happy to answer any questions you guys might have.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-11 03:01:48 UTC
Lady Hestia wrote:
At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult.


Any fitting you find on Battleclinic is useless unless you understand why it accomplishes (or fails to accomplish) its supposed objective.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-11 03:04:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
Lady Hestia wrote:
At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult.


Any fitting you find on Battleclinic is useless unless you understand why it accomplishes (or fails to accomplish) its supposed objective.


Additionally, don't fly level 2 missions solo with a destroyer - dessies are damage dealers, not damage takers. You need to be tanked if you're going solo. Use a cruiser or a battlecruiser. Try the Vexor, good drone boat. The Talos will make life very easy for you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#4 - 2012-12-11 03:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
Well before the mission AI, 16 million SP with that being mining and industry, will make lvl 4s hard still. Gonna need lvl 5 drones for drone ship or lvl 5 gunnery skills before they start getting easy really. But doable with lvl 4 skills and T2 guns or faction guns.

With the mission AI will be harder. Surprised with both of you guys doing a lvl 4 it is still hard though.
Thiassi Uth'Matar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-12-11 03:05:42 UTC
Do level 2 missions in a cruiser, it will be a lot easier.

You need a good tank, even in a battleship to do level 4 missions.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-11 03:06:38 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Andski wrote:
Lady Hestia wrote:
At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult.


Any fitting you find on Battleclinic is useless unless you understand why it accomplishes (or fails to accomplish) its supposed objective.


Additionally, don't fly level 2 missions solo with a destroyer - dessies are damage dealers, not damage takers. You need to be tanked if you're going solo. Use a cruiser or a battlecruiser. Try the Vexor, good drone boat. The Talos will make life very easy for you.


Drone boats are no good anymore Cool

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Maggie Evenstar
Unoriginal Corporation
#7 - 2012-12-11 03:07:32 UTC
You are most welcome to come mission with me anytime I'm running fleets. You may have the skills to do incursions too. I'd be happy to help you get into those. With incursions you can easily make the ISK to plex your account. Just convo me sometime in game. Big smile
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-11 03:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
raskonalkov wrote:
Well before the mission AI, 16 million SP with that being mining and industry, will make lvl 4s hard still. Gonna need lvl 5 drones for drone ship or lvl 5 gunnery skills before they start getting easy really. But doable with lvl 4 skills and T2 guns or faction guns.

With the mission AI will be harder. Suprised with both of you guys doing a lvl 4 it is still hard though.


Me and a mate found out how to do lvl 4 missions in pairs. The AI prefers targets that are closer in size, so if you're in a BS launching drones, the frigates will prefer to go after drones. However, if you've got two people, one tanking in a BS and another in an active-tanked cheap frigate, like an Incursus or something, the AI frigates will go after the player in the frigate instead of the drones. His drones are able to chase down swarms of frigates while my frigate just pretty much acts as frigate-bait (and taking a few of them with me, of course) while his BS blasts any AI mediums or larges. We've done this repeatedly with the same results, and cleaned up level 4 missions without a problem.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2012-12-11 03:18:32 UTC
My 'quite a few years' is just shy of 3, and I have 52,000,000 SP.

What's your 'quite a few years' and only 16,000,000 SP ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-11 03:30:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My 'quite a few years' is just shy of 3, and I have 52,000,000 SP.

What's your 'quite a few years' and only 16,000,000 SP ?


This is a valid point, actually. I've only been playing for about 6 to 8 months and I'm approaching 12 million. That's only 4 shy of 16 million, and 4 mil won't take another few years (I hope).

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-11 03:31:54 UTC
2/10

There was some decent effort put into the OP but in the end the story fails.

Also, quit whining and just buy another Hulk.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2012-12-11 03:32:28 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My 'quite a few years' is just shy of 3, and I have 52,000,000 SP.

What's your 'quite a few years' and only 16,000,000 SP ?


This is a valid point, actually. I've only been playing for about 6 to 8 months and I'm approaching 12 million. That's only 4 shy of 16 million, and 4 mil won't take another few years (I hope).



Yup. Sounds fishy, and that could be wrong, but this is EVE.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-11 03:40:26 UTC
he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity.
Lady Hestia
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#14 - 2012-12-11 03:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Hestia
@ Andski, I learned that from someone in the corp after the fact, and now I do understand it. I just didn't remember L2's involving so much damage.

@Remiel Pollard, I understand a good deal about fittings, but I suppose not a huge amount. Keep in mind, those fits usually come with guides as well. A friend also said that the AI simply attacks the person who is the easiest to hurt- who has the weakest tank. It seemed like it, as when ever we did L4's the AI would always target me exclusively (with me in a BS and him in a Tengu).

@Raskonalkov, Not all of those points are in mining. I have more than Level 5 Drones and Level 5 Gunnery.

@Thiassi Uth'Matar, I will post my Maelstrom's fit at the bottom of this post. I don't see why it's so hard for me to tank, really.

@Surfin's PlunderBunny, It's a pain to have my drones shot at so easily, but I find that it's not all -too- hard to keep them alive.

@Maggie Evenstar, I'd love to fleet with you! Contact in EVE is hard for me, but I know that's generally how it is done around here. I will send you a message.

@Krixtal Icefluxor, I take a lot of time off in frustration. A lot of time goes by where I am unsubbed and skills cannot be trained. Also, I'd love to buy a Hulk. When can I expect the funds from you, my friend?



Latest Maelstrom fit: (disregard the AB and specific hardeners, those change.)

[Maelstrom, Maelstrom Current]

Gyrostabilizer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Field I
Kinetic Deflection Field I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
100MN Afterburner II

800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead I x5
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-11 03:43:12 UTC
Kaylyis wrote:
he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity.


Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lady Hestia
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#16 - 2012-12-11 03:46:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaylyis wrote:
he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity.


Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason.


I currently have 15,831,969 skill points.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2012-12-11 03:48:48 UTC
Seems legit.
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#18 - 2012-12-11 03:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
Lady Hestia wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaylyis wrote:
he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity.


Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason.


I currently have 15,831,969 skill points.


I meant lvl 5 skills in the drone category and guns category. Like drone interfacing 5 and then the racial skills to 4 at least.

Then large hybrid turret to 5 as well as rapid firing 5.

But at least get those to lvl 4 and perhaps get faction guns if you can before really trying to hurt lvl 4s.

EDIT: Your also gonna need a T2 tank before you do lvl 4s as well. Means more lvl 5 skills. :(

Also, battleclinic might be bad, but that fit is kind of bad as well.
Lady Hestia
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#19 - 2012-12-11 03:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Hestia
raskonalkov wrote:
Lady Hestia wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaylyis wrote:
he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity.


Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason.


I currently have 15,831,969 skill points.


I meant lvl 5 skills in the drone category and guns category. Like drone interfacing 5 and then the racial skills to 4 at least.

Then large hybrid turret to 5 as well as rapid firing 5.

But at least get those to lvl 4 and perhaps get faction guns if you can before really trying to hurt lvl 4s.


Oh I see, hahah.

The way I say it is that my skills are not perfect, but they are not really sub par either.

Also, what's this about not being legit? Why would someone lie about sucking and being annoyed? Lol, I am quite confused.
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#20 - 2012-12-11 04:15:07 UTC
They would lie because of politics. Which you were touching on in this thread.

Sadly they are sub par, but it is your time, so you can fly on ahead.
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