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Removing concord
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Baygun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-12-28 16:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Baygun
OK, I am noob so may be my knowledge base regarding EVE is modest one but can't understand what is the problem to make changes to CONCORD?

CCP can always rollback.

Furthermore - change is good.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-12-31 20:40:24 UTC
I still think you can have enough SP to be on par with Concord. Rather, you should be able to.

I understand the problems with that, and the burn jita type fights that would happen... but then... that's ok too. Even devs talk about nowhere being safe. I think caps should be able to enter highsec up to like... .8 or even .9, saving 1.0 being totally unbreachable by caps. That way, you could enforce unsafe highsec without having to be lowsec or trully griefing low sp pilots.

Would be a good balance in my opinion sicne even major cities have upscale criminals and a show of brute force time and time again.

/shrug

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2012-12-31 20:43:14 UTC
Risien Drogonne wrote:
Kira Vanachura wrote:

I have several arguments for removing/nerfing concord in hisec:
1. Hisec has become too safe since Retribution

It's same danger as it was a month ago.

Kira Vanachura wrote:
2. People want more small-scale PvP

Beating up miners and missioners isn't small-scale PVP.

Kira Vanachura wrote:
3. More opportunities for player interaction rather than ganking being a one-sided action with a helpless victim and an overpowered npc police

Removing concord doesn't accomplish that

Dea della Morte wrote:

Higher security systems scale concord's power faster. etc.

Situation:
0.7 system, Raven is running missions, Pirate gang drops in ontop of the raven and begins aggression. Same concord response time, only the pirates have a fighting chance. Concord is wailing away at the pirates while they try and kill the raven, more concord ships show up over a period of time, dictated by sec status of system. Hopefully this can make for some interesting engagements.

And the immediate result would be that the people you hope to gank would move to 0.8+ systems.



Think of all the fun to be had with station gamers.

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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#84 - 2013-01-01 00:32:43 UTC
Kira Vanachura wrote:
Apparantly one of the devs at the Vegas meeting made a remark that he'd favor the complete removal of concord.


What was that, you say? There is a new job opening at CCP games? Capital!

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Kyril Bonfiglioli
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-01-10 05:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyril Bonfiglioli
lollerwaffle wrote:
To address some points below by random NPC corp alt. Note I'm neither for nor against removal or changing CONCORD, whatever happens, happens.

Kyril Bonfiglioli wrote:
Surprise, surprise... The goons would like to see PVP everywhere. In other words, they want to be able to kill anyone, anywhere with impunity. You have low and null sec for that. Not everyone wants to engage in PVP. I certainly don't. Eve is big enough to allow the relative safety of high sec. Also the model CCP have now is a real winner resulting in a growing membership while other MMO's are steadinly losing memberships.


Tinfoil-hattery. While not everyone wants to engage in PVP, they should certainly accept that PVP may happen to them, and actively learn how to avoid being in a non-consensual PVP situation.

tl;dr whatever.



Well, not sure what "tinfoil-hattery" is, but I certainly agree that people should learn how to fit their ships and learn to defend themselves, or they will suffer the consequences. The key words you used there though were "non-consentual PVP" Like I said, if you WANT to indulge in PVP then go low or null. Leave high sec for those that don't want to engage in it.
Ki'esha Lorri'en
1st Legion Combat Liaison
#86 - 2013-01-11 09:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ki'esha Lorri'en
Vihura wrote:
I read somewhere then there was no concord in eve for some time from some reason, and it was disaster no mission, no mining , no traveling (except pod express ), no trading, 90% of players were unable to play.



This is true. As a player who was in open beta and playing intermittently since I can confirm that orginally Empire space was not regulated by CONCORD or gate guns. Much of the game content was unacheivable or maintainable to new players due to heavy griefing (other Vets might remember the infamous Tank from those days). Playing in a realm of Tomas Hobbes Leviatian fully realized is not fun. It was frustrating for the griefees and quickly became boring for the griefers, everyone lost out.

-1 on removing CONCORD, been there and done it.
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-01-11 13:30:01 UTC
Baygun wrote:
OK, I am noob so may be my knowledge base regarding EVE is modest one but can't understand what is the problem to make changes to CONCORD?

CCP can always rollback.

Furthermore - change is good.


Removing Concord would be biggest mistake CCP ever done. Eve needs relatively safe place to let new player grow strong and progress.
Also there is a place without Concord alredy - its lowsec and its so low populated because YOU bears and fail griefers doesnt have balls to enter it and live there.
Removing Concord from hisec wont make you man, it make you all little girls who are too afraid to undock.
So stop yapping take your guns and come to me little pussies.

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Domineren
Knights Of the Ruined Empire
#88 - 2013-01-11 18:21:03 UTC
Lee Woods wrote:
The removal of CONCORD, why on Earth would anyone want that? Other than to harass those who make a living in high-sec because they choose not to venture out into the wilderness of null-sec.

IMHO, people who uphold the law in high-sec (and those that possess a humanitarian nature) should be able to work alongside CONCORD e.g. have a module or a probe that you can activate to call in CONCORD reinforcements, or be able to earn CONCORD-specialised weaponry/defensive modules.

For too long, the law breakers of this Universe have gotten away with murder (quite literally), and its' time the honest & virtuous were rewarded for their efforts and sacrifices to defend those that are weaker than them.

We do not want another Jita or Dodixie incident like that of which occurred earlier on this year, those aiding CONCORD should be allowed to bring whatever firepower they need in-order to defend the innocent, whereas the perpetrators should be dealt with swiftly.

Think of it like factional warfare but you join the side of CONCORD in maintaining peace.

whats wrong with dodixie D=

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Angron Vail
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2013-01-11 22:59:01 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
Baygun wrote:
OK, I am noob so may be my knowledge base regarding EVE is modest one but can't understand what is the problem to make changes to CONCORD?

CCP can always rollback.

Furthermore - change is good.


Removing Concord would be biggest mistake CCP ever done. Eve needs relatively safe place to let new player grow strong and progress.
Also there is a place without Concord alredy - its lowsec and its so low populated because YOU bears and fail griefers doesnt have balls to enter it and live there.
Removing Concord from hisec wont make you man, it make you all little girls who are too afraid to undock.
So stop yapping take your guns and come to me little pussies.



This^,

take away CONCORD, It would be like opening the gates of hell. You carebears are too worried about null sec dwellers, they like where they are, it's the low sec pirate you should worry about, we dont care, and would spread chaos for the sake of spreading chaos.

And i could be wrong but there are alot of high sec kills on Kill boards . So there is A LOT of pvp being done in hi sec.

Now that this is out of my system. I do have a carebear alt, and removing CONCORD yeilds this. Corp controlled regions of hisec and gate camps everywhere. No Thanks. I do however think that joining CONCORD as an NPC corp is promising, and some some merit. no to point of extreame authority but access to ships and mods that you cant get elsewhere.

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Dion Cranes
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-01-18 10:01:39 UTC
This,is just an other "wet dream" of a bored or desperate (or both) 0.0/low sec'er dream.

btw.. i want Concord and Faction Police include sentry guns,all over 0.0 and low sec systems.
Tons of them.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-01-18 12:44:41 UTC
Fix 0.0 so theres no need to bastardize hisec.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#92 - 2013-01-21 02:18:04 UTC
Theron Dashto wrote:
Allowing players to police hi-sec would completely corrupt the system. Corps with deep wallets would offer bribes and be able to run rampant, while smaller corps and individual players would eventually be driven from the game.


This assumes that there wouldn't be actual mechanics, for example, a player having to commit a concordable offence before the player police would be able to act. The very purpose of this idea would be that groups couldn't take over and extort people, but rather they'd be able to engage bad people doing bad things. The more NPCs are removed in favour of players having to actually do something, the better, just so long as "doing something" doesn't involve a clickfest, like PI.

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-01-21 08:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: culo duro
lollerwaffle wrote:
-Snip-.


I don't know about you, but High isn't a Pvp freezone everyday carebears get decced and shot by experienced players.
Removing concord would just make a war dec free...

If you wanna pvp in high sec, join a pvp Corp/Alliance that decs other corps in High, you can even just join wars for free as assistance.

This seems weird.

The war dec system already got a huge nerf, you don't even have to be a huge corp to pick on dudes in high sec. If anything the neutral logistics would be an issue. Wait you say CCP nerfed that so we got a suspect flag now?

God damit *faceplant*

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