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CCP Why is it so hard to get concrete information on Incarna's multiplayer establishments?

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Nel Gardier
Time Sync
#21 - 2011-10-06 07:34:30 UTC
@OP - Because I don't think CCP can crack two avatars in the same room let alone an establishments worth.

There's probably more than just EVE players breathing a sigh of relief over :words: - probably many devs being whipped to get the next round of code ready for forced public beta testing.

I suspect many opt in betas over the next year.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2011-10-06 07:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
mechtech wrote:

CCP doesn't have concrete date. That's the entire point of the CEO letter, that pushing out unfinished features is a bad thing to do. They have to keep iterating on it until it's ready, and that's just not something you can predict.

It's done when it's done is the best policy to have, as much as you may not like to hear it. AAA game developers don't give hard dates for this very reason (ID and Valve both come to mind).


Aye this! CCP has been pushing hard the last year but pushing against the wrong set of stones, they needed (and have appeared to have done so) to reassess the way they have been developing the EVE universe and EVE online. Pushing out stuff to soon just to get it out there is something they have learned (the hard way) to be a bad idea.

To quote a great writer: It will be finished when it is finished!
To quote this man again: Winter is coming.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Apollo-Moor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-10-06 10:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
Flamespar wrote:
There have been numerous requests for some sort of indication on the what and when for the multiplayer establishments of Incarna..

Recently we were told that multiplayer establishments were almost ready to go onto singularity.

Now they seem to have vanished from the winter expansion feature list completely.

Whilst I recognise some players don't want Incarna, much in the same way I don't want to do PI, or slam my ********* in a door. At the very least CCP could say whether they actualy intend to finish the current expansion, or whether Incarna is on hold once the rest of the CQs come out and they work on FiS stuff.

I returned to EVE for Incarna and all of it's promises (big mistake, I know). Can you at least give a straight answer on when you will deliver the multiplayer establishments?

This year? Great. In two years time? Great, at least then I'd I f**king know. I could stop playing this endless game of wait and see.


I understand where you are coming from. I'm a newer player and only know what I have taken the time to learn. From my POV CCP HELLMARs dev blog basically said..

"Ok Ok ya got us! We've been bullshitting you guys on a lot of the stuff we've been telling you. In truth much of it was a straight lie and you caught us. We thought we would be able to cover our over-the-top promises with actual results, none-the-less you guys are just way too smart and caught us in our boldfaced deception. Even after our constantly failing denials; we continued to **** on you guys. We apologize and will try to refrain from lieing to you any longer."

Pretty much what I got..
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-06 11:02:17 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
After reading between the lines


This is your first mistake, sometimes believe it or not what's between the lines is just white space and not some secret agenda.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-06 11:59:25 UTC
Naran Eto wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
After reading between the lines

This is your first mistake, sometimes believe it or not what's between the lines is just white space and not some secret agenda.

You have been spending too much time with legal documents :)

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-06 12:02:06 UTC
For those of you wanting establishments:

I have serious reservations about the sincerity of Hilmar's blog. The speed at which CCP has changed directions from Incarna is indicative of hitting a wall and bouncing off in the opposite direction. I doubt it has anything to do with player desire and more to do with technical challenges. So, don't hold your breath for establishments. See how hard your hardware is working to produce one small room with one character? Imagine how hard it's going to work (or not work) with 100 avatars roaming around in an expansive environment. I think, technically, it is possible for CCP to provide establishments but, not without killing their playerbase to do it for the few with bleeding edge rigs. So, don't expect establishments any time soon.

Don't ban me, bro!

Barbelo Valentinian
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#27 - 2011-10-06 12:54:41 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
For those of you wanting establishments:

I have serious reservations about the sincerity of Hilmar's blog. The speed at which CCP has changed directions from Incarna is indicative of hitting a wall and bouncing off in the opposite direction. I doubt it has anything to do with player desire and more to do with technical challenges. So, don't hold your breath for establishments. See how hard your hardware is working to produce one small room with one character? Imagine how hard it's going to work (or not work) with 100 avatars roaming around in an expansive environment. I think, technically, it is possible for CCP to provide establishments but, not without killing their playerbase to do it for the few with bleeding edge rigs. So, don't expect establishments any time soon.


Yeah I think we will get establishments, but certainly not in this upcoming expansion, and maybe not even in the Summer one. I think it will take 2 big upgrades to get FiS up to scratch, only after that will they be able to re-concentrate on the WiS part.

As indeed I hope they do. I love the "full vision" for EVE, and I think those who whine about "just FiS" are ******* Luddites.

But FiS has to be the priority.
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-06 12:58:21 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Naran Eto wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
After reading between the lines

This is your first mistake, sometimes believe it or not what's between the lines is just white space and not some secret agenda.

You have been spending too much time with legal documents :)


Eek i just noticed i've quoted multiple posts from you recently, belive me it's just coincidence, i'm not stalking you ..... unless you want me to that is ... Blink
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-06 13:54:11 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Well all CQ's were supposed to be out before end of august. They were running months behind even before today's announcement.


Don´t forget the performance problems with CQ. Since i doubt that ccp conspired with nvidia to melt our graphic cards to make us buy more, they had suddenly an unexpected problem to deal with. Any further implementation of WiS is nonsense before solving the performance problems, because if CQ has already such big issues, a full station environment will freeze up about every computer out there. And i guess ccp has the suspicion we would not appreciate that.

Any schedule planned before the performance problem came up is therefore crapped.

And noone can know how long performance optimization will take, so there is no way to tell when more WiS-content will show up other than "as soon as you will be able to run several clients at once without killing you, your family, your friends, your neighbours and everyone and everything you hold dear to you because your town disappeared in a nuclear detonation caused by your computer trying to run eve online."

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2011-10-06 13:59:51 UTC
Given how much of a resource hog CQ is, my suspicion is that they can't actually get Establishments to work without crashing 90% of PCs.

And that might explain the sudden change of focus.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-10-06 14:01:19 UTC
Yep... nothing will happen b4 next year and the finished product most likely goes much further to future.

However this shouldn't be an issue. It comes when it comes with the resources it has. Knowing exact date isn't really important. Some people just need some reassuring that the project is slowly grinding in the background.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest

Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-10-06 14:43:39 UTC
You establishment does not matter. Put your junk on the market, change price by .01 and sell it.
Poastmortem
#33 - 2011-12-06 11:18:40 UTC
Nel Gardier wrote:
@OP - Because I don't think CCP can crack two avatars in the same room let alone an establishments worth.

There's probably more than just EVE players breathing a sigh of relief over :words: - probably many devs being whipped to get the next round of code ready for forced public beta testing.

I suspect many opt in betas over the next year.



The thing that irks me is that they had an engine which was capable of multi-user environments back in 2008 but they scrapped it so that they could develop a new engine they could release in WoD (that silly vampire game based on the 'Charmed' fad). So they have had ~7 years to get a working product out the door which featured WiS (establishments). But have failed and failed because of greed and stupidity.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#34 - 2011-12-06 11:55:08 UTC
necro much?

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Marcus Harikari
#35 - 2011-12-06 13:26:52 UTC
Why do you bother them about a feature you aren't even INTERESTED in? Seriously, are you that big of an *******?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-12-06 13:30:54 UTC
WHO CARES ABOUT WALKING IN STATIONS ANYWAY?

DO I HAVE TO REMIND YOU THIS IS AN INTERNET SPACESHIP GAME!

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Adamonus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-12-06 15:48:08 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
W

DO I HAVE TO REMIND YOU THIS IS AN INTERNET SPACESHIP GAME!



...and of course that does not change - so dont be afraid and let them


OPEN UP THE GATES, NOW ! WE WANT TO BE FREE AND NOT CHAINED TO CQ!!

WIS - together!!
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-12-06 16:53:17 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

The speed at which CCP has changed directions from Incarna is indicative of hitting a wall and bouncing off in the opposite direction. I doubt it has anything to do with player desire and more to do with technical challenges.


This
Vyra Valyr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-12-06 18:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyra Valyr
It's pretty sad to see the Great Vision for EVE falling apart so fast. WiS Expectations were build up over years and are now disintegrating in days and weeks.

I only see one fu**ing problem with establishments and multiplayer for Incarna. And this my Dear friends is their Engine. I mean the Characters look wonderful in Character Creation and still pretty good in our own little CQ but what the Hell have you guys programmed ? Look at some other games out there that pretty much offer the same Quality for half of the Hardware costs.

Since Captain Quarters are here and running (maybe not smooth and expensive but they are running) its not a far way to travel to acutally recieve some multiplayer Gameplay. Maybe even Create a Channel System für Crowded Places ? From a Design POV you guys have Everything ? Well atleast i thought so after hearing everything about Incarna and what CCP wanted to create with it. Mini Games, Bars, Agents, New In-Character Tutorial etc. you have your goddamn Technology running (again with crappy eprfomance but it runs)= ! You can't leave it now undone. IMHO the Whole Thing about Incarna was "we want a good start" well you had a bad start, but it started, you promised something and youi should deliver it. Again and again and again : Even with Focus on FiS i don't see a problem in realsing Incarna Content over time, because actually it feels like it's already here and the Rooms only need some assembling then you have to get some NPC's sitting around and animate them and such but you don*'t have to code a brand-new engine anymore or worry about how to integrate it, because that was the Big Part and that is done now !

Just Focus on FiS but, dont ever think about changing your direction because your Future Vision of EVE touched many Players and it will still become legendary once Dust 514 and Incarna 2.0 are out since you're the only guys who are actually able to do it or atleast willing to.

Just my 2 Cents, i Love you guys and i want some goddamn Tech 3 Frigs ! I Read about some around the Time the Tech 3 Cruisers were Live <.<
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#40 - 2011-12-06 18:44:16 UTC
*NEWSFLASH*

Incarna is not coming any time soon. Deal with it.

(We now return to your regularly scheduled programs)

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.

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