EVE General Discussion

@OP - Because I don't think CCP can crack two avatars in the same room let alone an establishments worth.

There's probably more than just EVE players breathing a sigh of relief over :words: - probably many devs being whipped to get the next round of code ready for forced public beta testing.

I suspect many opt in betas over the next year.

I understand where you are coming from. I'm a newer player and only know what I have taken the time to learn. From my POV CCP HELLMARs dev blog basically said..

"Ok Ok ya got us! We've been bullshitting you guys on a lot of the stuff we've been telling you. In truth much of it was a straight lie and you caught us. We thought we would be able to cover our over-the-top promises with actual results, none-the-less you guys are just way too smart and caught us in our boldfaced deception. Even after our constantly failing denials; we continued to **** on you guys. We apologize and will try to refrain from lieing to you any longer."

Pretty much what I got..

You have been spending too much time with legal documents :)

Yeah I think we will get establishments, but certainly not in this upcoming expansion, and maybe not even in the Summer one. I think it will take 2 big upgrades to get FiS up to scratch, only after that will they be able to re-concentrate on the WiS part.

As indeed I hope they do. I love the "full vision" for EVE, and I think those who whine about "just FiS" are ******* Luddites.

But FiS has to be the priority.

Don´t forget the performance problems with CQ. Since i doubt that ccp conspired with nvidia to melt our graphic cards to make us buy more, they had suddenly an unexpected problem to deal with. Any further implementation of WiS is nonsense before solving the performance problems, because if CQ has already such big issues, a full station environment will freeze up about every computer out there. And i guess ccp has the suspicion we would not appreciate that.

Any schedule planned before the performance problem came up is therefore crapped.

And noone can know how long performance optimization will take, so there is no way to tell when more WiS-content will show up other than "as soon as you will be able to run several clients at once without killing you, your family, your friends, your neighbours and everyone and everything you hold dear to you because your town disappeared in a nuclear detonation caused by your computer trying to run eve online."

Yep... nothing will happen b4 next year and the finished product most likely goes much further to future.

However this shouldn't be an issue. It comes when it comes with the resources it has. Knowing exact date isn't really important. Some people just need some reassuring that the project is slowly grinding in the background.

The thing that irks me is that they had an engine which was capable of multi-user environments back in 2008 but they scrapped it so that they could develop a new engine they could release in WoD (that silly vampire game based on the 'Charmed' fad). So they have had ~7 years to get a working product out the door which featured WiS (establishments). But have failed and failed because of greed and stupidity.

Why do you bother them about a feature you aren't even INTERESTED in? Seriously, are you that big of an *******?

...and of course that does not change - so dont be afraid and let them


OPEN UP THE GATES, NOW ! WE WANT TO BE FREE AND NOT CHAINED TO CQ!!

WIS - together!!

It's pretty sad to see the Great Vision for EVE falling apart so fast. WiS Expectations were build up over years and are now disintegrating in days and weeks.

I only see one fu**ing problem with establishments and multiplayer for Incarna. And this my Dear friends is their Engine. I mean the Characters look wonderful in Character Creation and still pretty good in our own little CQ but what the Hell have you guys programmed ? Look at some other games out there that pretty much offer the same Quality for half of the Hardware costs.

Since Captain Quarters are here and running (maybe not smooth and expensive but they are running) its not a far way to travel to acutally recieve some multiplayer Gameplay. Maybe even Create a Channel System für Crowded Places ? From a Design POV you guys have Everything ? Well atleast i thought so after hearing everything about Incarna and what CCP wanted to create with it. Mini Games, Bars, Agents, New In-Character Tutorial etc. you have your goddamn Technology running (again with crappy eprfomance but it runs)= ! You can't leave it now undone. IMHO the Whole Thing about Incarna was "we want a good start" well you had a bad start, but it started, you promised something and youi should deliver it. Again and again and again : Even with Focus on FiS i don't see a problem in realsing Incarna Content over time, because actually it feels like it's already here and the Rooms only need some assembling then you have to get some NPC's sitting around and animate them and such but you don*'t have to code a brand-new engine anymore or worry about how to integrate it, because that was the Big Part and that is done now !

Just Focus on FiS but, dont ever think about changing your direction because your Future Vision of EVE touched many Players and it will still become legendary once Dust 514 and Incarna 2.0 are out since you're the only guys who are actually able to do it or atleast willing to.

Just my 2 Cents, i Love you guys and i want some goddamn Tech 3 Frigs ! I Read about some around the Time the Tech 3 Cruisers were Live <.<