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They really need to remove the whole thing about them being the "final word in clandestine maneuvers" from their info.

I'd enjoy abusing covops BOPs too, I'm sure, but really, they'd wreck too much stuff. W-space, for instance.

They're not talking about how easy they are to catch, they're BS after all, but think about it, it would be impossible to catch a BOP unless you have just seen it cloaking, it can warp out, sit at a safe and then jump out.
The main thing people are referring to about BOPs being overpowered with a covops cloak isnt the tank or mobility though, it's the DPS, sure a T3 can go cloaky and fit a great tank, but when you're ganking ships with a hit-and-run fleet, you dont need a tank. A group of BOPs warping around a system cloaked, each with a good 500dps++ would just allow them to decloak and melt just about anything in 30secs flat.
Oh and next time, before you post anything about people using their brains, please spell it right first.

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I see this statement all the time, but no one ever backs it up with anything.

The 4th black ops bonus is an increase in cloaked velocity, which is exactly what a covert ops cloak does. Are you saying being able to warp cloaked, like everyone else in a black ops gang can already do, would be overpowered? How?

Give them a covert ops cloak, and buff/balance them with a real ship bonus.

if they get that CO cloak, then remove their jump capability.


that said, how to balance BOs.. well specifically the sin, needs a bit more agility and replace the agility bonus for something else more useful.
as far as BOs in general, decrease fuel consumption, increase jump range, and maybe even increase fuel bay.

this is a question thats hard to answer... since many people want the BOs to be useful other than in outright hotdropping
right now though, it does work fine by itself, but if you bring a gang the fuel bay is hillariously small, or rather the ships going through it simply use too much fuel
the jump range could be a tad higher, i wouldnt cry too loud if it didnt happen, but increasing the jump range a small bit doesnt make it any more super, just less of a hassle to use

in short, fuel bay and a little bit more jump range would simply mean more people bringing them out once in a while because they would be easier to use, and not so annoying like it is right now

as for improving its "situation", i cant really say, but i would vote for a little more HP
i cant back up this statement at all, but thats just how i feel about them right now :)
regular cloak is fine, perhaps reduce locking time from 10 minutes to 1 minute to lock a pod? =)

Warp cloaked capable is what I want to see in a Black Ops ship.

How to balance that, though?

How about when a Cov ops cloak is fitted, jump capability is offlined?

I could live with that compromise.

Mr Epeen

I think that would be a workable trade-off. When I first started playing EVE I immediately loved the idea of Black Ops ships created the skill plan to get there (all two years of it - hull + very good support skills) only to find that, at the moment, they are more often than not expensive kill mails due to the deficiencies in the class.

The hybrid balancing and ship balancing being talked about gives me great hope. I can only hope that Black Ops ships get some love in the near future as well.