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Why missions should stay the way they are
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-09 14:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Having to use passive Drake or Tengu with officer shield booster isn't adapting.
…and as a curious coincidence, what people are saying is that you should adapt — not that you should use an officer-fitted PST Drake or Tengu.


Before: I didn't have any problems in Sansha level 3 Break Their Will.
Now: I had to warp out twice. Got some structure damage since I can't run armor repairer forever (not cap stable).

Having 5 km range with Scorch is great!
Rengerel en Distel
#22 - 2012-12-09 14:53:37 UTC
CCP has said full room aggro is a bug.
CCP has said npcs using ewar full time is a bug.

This has nothing to do with making the missions harder, or nerfing incomes, or trying to force people into pvp. It is simply another case of :CCP: and will be fixed sometime in the next 18 months, if they remember to get to it.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-12-09 14:57:37 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Before: I didn't have any problems in Sansha level 3 Break Their Will.
Now: I had to warp out twice.
Before: I didn't have any problems in any L4s.
Now: I don't have any problems in any L4s.

…not even using drones. So no, you don't have to use Drakes and Tengus.

If you're having problems with L3s, I think there's a better place to start looking than the missions…
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-09 14:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Before: I didn't have any problems in Sansha level 3 Break Their Will.
Now: I had to warp out twice.
Before: I didn't have any problems in any L4s.
Now: I don't have any problems in any L4s.

…not even using drones. So no, you don't have to use Drakes and Tengus.

If you're having problems with L3s, I think there's a better place to start looking than the missions…


Go try Sansha version of level 4 The Blockade with any turret ship other than Mack*.

*= exluding Mach since ramming technique still works.

And I don't have problems in level 3s since I do those in AFs and T1 cruisers.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#25 - 2012-12-09 15:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
My heard bleeds for the people with an ability to not adapt to change.


Having to use passive Drake or Tengu with officer shield booster isn't adapting.

Just go and try BR version of The Blockade with your Drake and you know.
Or Sansha version of The Blockade with any turret ship (other than Mach).


Making your ship better isn't adapting? wth is it then?
If a ship X doesn't work you choose ship Y and so on. It's that easy.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-09 15:09:41 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
My heard bleeds for the people with an ability to not adapt to change.


Having to use passive Drake or Tengu with officer shield booster isn't adapting.

Just go and try BR version of The Blockade with your Drake and you know.
Or Sansha version of The Blockade with any turret ship (other than Mach).


Making your ship better isn't adapting? wth is it then?


Losing 100 dps from my 600+ dps Abso and adding third hardener is "making my ship better"?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2012-12-09 15:10:37 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Go try Sansha version of level 4 The Blockade with any turret ship other than Mack*.
No. Why should I use a suboptimal ship?

Quote:
And I don't have problems in level 3s since I do those in AFs and T1 cruisers.
By your own account, have problems in L3s since you do them in battleships.
Back to lying, are we?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-09 15:14:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
No. Why should I use a suboptimal ship?


So, you're suggesting adapting and switching to Tengu?

Tippia wrote:
By your own account, have problems in L3s since you do them in battleships.
Back to lying, are we?


Link and quote. Where I said I do level 3s in battleship?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-12-09 15:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
So, you're suggesting adapting and switching to Tengu?
No. I'm suggesting you use a Mach or some other high-speed/close-range ship. Or something with missiles. Or something with drones. Or anything, really, that doesn't directly feed the weakness the rats are meant to exploit.

Quote:
Link and quote. Where I said I do level 3s in battleship?
Right. I read it as Abaddon, but it was actually something much sturdier than that. Still not an AF or a T1 cruiser, so you're still lying.
Lord Tempist
UnLimited Liability Corporation
#30 - 2012-12-09 15:18:38 UTC
Change is the only Constant. I am readjusting my gaming habits to fit the current Mission running environment. I am not running any missions until they fix this. Simple and easy response to it all, no? RollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRoll

Change is the only constant. I will even adapt to blatant absurdity. You know who you are.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-09 15:27:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Right. I read it as Abaddon


So, you think Absolution is 10th most tankiest battleship in game, not a Amarr Command ship with weak tank?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2012-12-09 15:35:03 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
So, you think Absolution is 10th most tankiest battleship in game, not a Amarr Command ship with weak tank?
I think it's a T2 Battlecruiser that can tank any L3 with ease (unsurprisingly since its T1 hull does it, and adding T2 benefits hasn't made it weaker). I also think that it's not an AF or a T1 cruiser, so you're still lying.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-12-09 15:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
So, you think Absolution is 10th most tankiest battleship in game, not a Amarr Command ship with weak tank?
I think it's a T2 Battlecruiser that can tank any L3 with ease (unsurprisingly since its T1 hull does it, and adding T2 benefits hasn't made it weaker). I also think that it's not an AF or a T1 cruiser, so you're still lying.


And you don't have any idea why people use suboptimal ships for running level 3s...

Some of us don't care about maximum isk/hr. Shocking? I know.

You should try running level 3s in AFs. It teaches you to actually fly your ship not just spam missiles from 100 km orbit.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2012-12-09 15:49:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
And you don't have any idea why people use suboptimal ships for running level 3s.
Who said you were? I'm saying that you're having problems with L3s in ships that do them with ease. In fact, you are saying that, and I'm saying that you shouldn't blame the missions for your problems.

I'm also saying that, as always, you're lying.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-09 15:52:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
And you don't have any idea why people use suboptimal ships for running level 3s.
Who said you were? I'm saying that you're having problems with L3s in ships that do them with ease. In fact, you are saying that, and I'm saying that you shouldn't blame the missions for your problems.

I'm also saying that, as always, you're lying.


So, it's my fault I don't use missiles against Sansha?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-12-09 15:59:56 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Troll 0/10

No one who actually does missions believes that missions should stay the way they are now.
As a advocate for the rights of High security citizens, I implore all of you who actually care to petition CCP to change to make it more feasible to do missions.



This is actually a quote from a forum full of botters. Theres a huge blog from some guy you can read on it but basically the botters are having a miserable time right now and most of us think its amazing.

The short of it is that in the mean time you wont be able to really use battlecruisers and cruisers for missions. This is the way it used to be, and the reason that the Marauder exists. Some of us remember when there were Marauders everywhere doing missions, its all you used to see, later this was replaced with herds of Tengus burning through missions in blitz style and the Marauders just vanished, much like the dinosaur.

Sorry you're all pissy that you can't run the ship in a cruiser anymore but I guess you'll just have to try tackling your lvl 4's in a BS, the way they used to be ran.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-12-09 16:00:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
And you don't have any idea why people use suboptimal ships for running level 3s.
Who said you were? I'm saying that you're having problems with L3s in ships that do them with ease. In fact, you are saying that, and I'm saying that you shouldn't blame the missions for your problems.

I'm also saying that, as always, you're lying.


So, it's my fault I don't use missiles against Sansha?


Why ask a question you already know the answer to?
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-12-09 16:03:19 UTC
Arguing with Tippia is like talking to a brick wall, man, just give up he/she always has to be rightRoll. Just don't run missions til it's fixed.

P.S. Just bought a tengu w/subs from contracts for 250m in jita, not really a marauder but it has got to be better than my pally/vargur now....


Inb4 "L2P, stop being bad"
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-12-09 16:06:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Athena Themis wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
And you don't have any idea why people use suboptimal ships for running level 3s.
Who said you were? I'm saying that you're having problems with L3s in ships that do them with ease. In fact, you are saying that, and I'm saying that you shouldn't blame the missions for your problems.

I'm also saying that, as always, you're lying.


So, it's my fault I don't use missiles against Sansha?


Why ask a question you already know the answer to?


I don't hate using missiles. It's just that Drake is extremely boring ship currently. Yes, even with HAMs.

Tbh, that kinetic damage bonus isn't the best vs. NPCs with high kinetic resist.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2012-12-09 16:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
So, it's my fault I don't use missiles against Sansha?
…or drones or close-range turrets.
Yes, it's your fault — you're the one who made the decision.

Grath Telkin wrote:
This is actually a quote from a forum full of botters.
That explains a lot.