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[BOND MATURED, PAID OUT] 2bn bond @ 11% interest running 4 weeks. Trust is a valuable commodity.
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RAW23
#41 - 2011-10-19 13:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
DJ Blackman wrote:
no contempt for you, much contempt for those who show such attitude towards others =)

I was referring pretty much entirely to the use of the word 'pubbies', which divides the whole world into an 'in' group and an 'out' group. It also has a history of being used by people who are very happy to scam and take pleasure in doing so.

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Btw RAW, you putting up your rule about how to invest in other's threads seem to indicate that you indeed show some contempt just as those pointed out in your very own 'rule'.

Not really. Contempt for individuals is a different matter and needs to be weighed differently. My concern here is with the kind of attitude towards everyone who is not part of the club that is conveyed by the term 'pubbies'.

I'm just trying to indicate why I would consider this to be an investment I wouldn't take a risk on myself. I have no crystal ball, nor certain belief you will scam or anything like that. But my experience investing in MD has led me to be unsurprised when people who post as you post walk away with the isk (this is not the same thing as expecting you to do so).

Edit - Btw, I think you're perfectly entitled to be pissed off at some of the posting in this thread. But that you may have some justified anger doesn't mean that you can post absolutely anything in response and still come out having given a good impression of yourself.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#42 - 2011-10-19 21:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ Blackman
RAW23 wrote:
DJ Blackman wrote:
no contempt for you, much contempt for those who show such attitude towards others =)

I was referring pretty much entirely to the use of the word 'pubbies', which divides the whole world into an 'in' group and an 'out' group. It also has a history of being used by people who are very happy to scam and take pleasure in doing so.

Quote:

Btw RAW, you putting up your rule about how to invest in other's threads seem to indicate that you indeed show some contempt just as those pointed out in your very own 'rule'.

Not really. Contempt for individuals is a different matter and needs to be weighed differently. My concern here is with the kind of attitude towards everyone who is not part of the club that is conveyed by the term 'pubbies'.

I'm just trying to indicate why I would consider this to be an investment I wouldn't take a risk on myself. I have no crystal ball, nor certain belief you will scam or anything like that. But my experience investing in MD has led me to be unsurprised when people who post as you post walk away with the isk (this is not the same thing as expecting you to do so).

Edit - Btw, I think you're perfectly entitled to be pissed off at some of the posting in this thread. But that you may have some justified anger doesn't mean that you can post absolutely anything in response and still come out having given a good impression of yourself.


Sometimes, you can't clean age old toilets without getting your hands dirty =) Btw, my use of the words is for those apparently displaying such character so obviously as only a blind man would miss them. It is not necessarily a term for a group the way I use it, rather a measure of character and attitude. Also, I do not carelessly treat others in such manner regardless of their opinions if they offer me similar courtesy as I would offer them.

All I can say is that it is much more profitable for me and others to cooperate and keep our words, than to backstab each other in a bid for one-time relatively small profit.

BTW- understood JA, I am checking with investors right now.....just need to get in touch with march rabbit.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-10-19 21:34:40 UTC
Oh hey, you're still trying to keep this scam going. You could have probably made billions in incursions with all this effort instead of nothing being on the forum looking like a complete jackass.

roflroflorlforlfl
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#44 - 2011-10-19 21:38:24 UTC
Just looked this thread up after having spoken to MC Jack.

Yes, I would very likely be willing to invest further with you, but would prefer to do it as an expanded bond after the term end of this current one. While I'm excited at your news of progress, I'll want to see the final outcome of your success.

That will help me decide on how heavily to invest in the next offer.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#45 - 2011-10-19 21:43:45 UTC
Thank you for your advice, Esan.

Would you have any objections to me opening a new bond (whether you invest or not is your choice....I simply want to know if it is ok with you if I do so) that runs concurrently with this one?
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#46 - 2011-10-19 22:53:44 UTC
As long as my investment is fully paid with interest, I have no objections.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#47 - 2011-10-19 23:27:48 UTC
March Rabbit, if you can let me know if it is ok with you to run this idea, I would gladly like to listen to your input.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2011-10-20 04:55:21 UTC
try it =)
i will take part

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#49 - 2011-10-20 05:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ Blackman
About to put up a new bond at 3bn at 15% return. Some people have told me 20% would be a much more attractive option, but I am afraid in the standard rate of return of around 30% I regularly get not taking into account severe market fluctuations, such rates could cut too deeply into the profits.

Regardless, with the newly energized PI income that I shipped it, I believe covering 3bn and interest from my current escrow of 9bn + monthly PI would be doable. Worst case, I lose some and is back to 4.5bn again and you have your money back with interest. The capital earned so far and profits can cover potential losses.

This bond will continue to run alongside the new one until its maturity date and will be paid out in accordance with terms stated.

Edit: New bond posted.
flakeys
Doomheim
#50 - 2011-10-20 09:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
DJ Blackman wrote:
You missed taking out the period flakeys ^^

Your troll powers are weak young one.....




IF you read my comments above you would know i have not been trolling in your thread and IF you'd read MD a bit more you would also see that i refrain from trolling in bond/ipo offers and mostly don't even comment in them.You went from 500 M to 2B and ask for an enlargement of that sum BEFORE the end of your 2B loan.Do i REALLY need to spell out why i said no as it is so damn obvious.A smart investor would not touch it even IF there would be reason to believe you are legit.

DJ Blackman wrote:
I have made it clear many times that I simply offer a choice, not a chance to convince or to persuade.



False you ask for it yet only want one answer , it's not a choice it's a statement.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#51 - 2011-10-20 09:43:30 UTC
It matters not whatever you do in other threads - your convenient omission from the quote where I stated 'advice and constructive suggestions', along with simple 'no' without stating why no matter now 'obvious' you seem to believe it to be is a proof in itself you have nothing other than contempt to offer.

I wonder who really is being presumptuous, me who is making an offer and letting others decide, or you who impudently assume you can dictate what other people think or believe?

I hope you don't presume to tell me what I want or know what goes in other people's heads - that is your impertinent assumption, not a fact.

Try not to establish facts based on that little voice in your head, or assume your opinions are facts.

In case you really are not trolling, but happen to have a slip, I can only say your response was too insufficient and your convenient omission too obvious for someone to take you as anything else. Perhaps be more careful next time?
flakeys
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-10-20 10:35:09 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
So you feel it is wise from an investors point of view to say 'yes' to a new bond wich is 6 times your only closed loan while also having a loan going wich is 4 times your ONLY succesfull loan?Wich would be about the same as going from a 10B succefull loan to a 100B loan.

If you can't stand criticism from the general public who has not invested in this offer then WHY would you even post your question on a public forum?Advice for next time consult your investors ingame about an increase in loansize and then post the result on the forum.

DJ Blackman wrote:
IIn case you really are not trolling,


Wasn't i clear in my above answer?


DJ Blackman wrote:
Perhaps be more careful next time?


Thank you for your advice.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
RAW23
#53 - 2011-10-20 10:39:16 UTC
DJ Blackman wrote:


All I can say is that it is much more profitable for me and others to cooperate and keep our words, than to backstab each other in a bid for one-time relatively small profit.


This approach to reassurance also has a pretty bad history on MD. Smile

You are currently doing a lot of things that a scammer would want to do, or that people who have ended up scamming have tended to do, so you shouldn't be surprised if people jump to certain conclusions or are not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. It's probably too late for this, but the one piece of advice I would give to you and to anyone else seeking investment relationships in the long term is to bend over backwards to act in the interest of your investors. That means, at times, deliberately handicapping yourself in order to distinguish your behaviour from that of scammers (for instance, don't expand fast; make the growth of your debt a burdensome and labour-intensive procedure for yourself).

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#54 - 2011-10-20 11:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ Blackman
Not really reassurance, just a statement of my intentions. Your point is taken raw regarding this matter. However, to put it other way, wouldn't that be the exact thing a scammer would do, in order to repgrind and bust out with major cash later on?

Do not tell others what they think or know flakeys. You seem convinced that I must be making an argument on my behalf or my bond when I make this offer. Here's a news flash: Not everyone who makes a statement presumptuously is telling you what you should believe. Perhaps those who do not understand this simple concept are themselves too self-absorbed to know this?

I have never stated my offer is better or worse, wise or foolish for that matter. I am simply going to do what I aim to do: invest the capitals, keep my word and pay it back with interest and hopefully gain greater profit than if I did not borrow the funds. I simply make that offer.

If someone truly believes that absolute trust can only be guaranteed by some kind of back up, they may find it is not so. In the end, the possibilities for both ends are endless, and there is simply no absolutes in terms of being safe from scamming or illegitimate manner of operations. That is one reason why I do not believe I mustn't offer such false assurances and try to convince that it would protect anyone. The cold hard truth is that it simply comes down to mutual meeting of interests and whether both parties are wiling to cooperate on the same level for mutual benefit.

Indeed this is a very precarious position from the investor's point of view. However, I believe being able to succeed and do well even under these circumstances and defy the general logic that red flag = scammer can at least be a way for me to show that I stick to what I described as my intentions.

Do or don't, your call. I do what I will and profit from our mutual cooperation, and I hope my investors will also.
Junnichi Asakura
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2011-10-20 11:45:32 UTC
As an investor in this Bond i'd have to say that the OP has already had the opportunity to rip me off for nearly over 8 times my original investment due to an error on my part! yet all teh money was returned intact within 24 hours, something i'm sure a less scrupulous person (probably myself included) would not have done...

Perhaps everybody does have a price at which they finally sucumb and turn their Bond into a scam however i for one can vouch that DJ Blackman's limit appears to be higher than 8b! lol
as with most investments on MD, i'm down with the gamble to make enough money on my investments to cover any potential loss i might make when one goes sour.

JA
Eddie Laydon
Laydon Industries
#56 - 2011-10-20 16:15:11 UTC
this is getting ridiculous, at this point you are just spewing out bullshit.
you try to make yourself look legit by writing this ridiculously smug speeches about trust and your good intension, but what you are actually saying is: give me money, i promise im not a scammer.

you offer nothing except your word, and you get pissed off when people question it.

DJ Blackman wrote:

If someone truly believes that absolute trust can only be guaranteed by some kind of back up, they may find it is not so. In the end, the possibilities for both ends are endless, and there is simply no absolutes in terms of being safe from scamming or illegitimate manner of operations. That is one reason why I do not believe I mustn't offer such false assurances and try to convince that it would protect anyone. The cold hard truth is that it simply comes down to mutual meeting of interests and whether both parties are wiling to cooperate on the same level for mutual benefit.


come on... offering a proper collateral guarantees the loan/bond is legit. if you had collateral i wouldnt even have questioned this bond.

ps i still havent received answers to my previous questions
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#57 - 2011-10-20 18:13:51 UTC
The only thing getting ridiculous is your attempts at badgering others because you didn't quit while you are ahead**

You clearly did not understand or refuse to think others could possibly think any differently.

You did receive answers, you just have your head stuck far too up your hole to notice or understand and leave well enough alone. Being a smug little asswipe sure can bite you in the ass like you.

Your questions have been answered thoroughly in many threads and posts. I suggest you learn to read.

That pile of bullshit of trying to be a smug little **** must be delicious laydon - do you feed on that everyday and feel better?
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#58 - 2011-11-02 10:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ Blackman
Update: Escrow is reaching 16.5bn at the moment, not counting the liquid ISK in wallet =)

Investors: Your ISK principle and interest will be paid out on Nov 5th, 2011, 0:00am GMT at the following amount of 11% interest:

- Esan Vartesa: 555m isk
- March Rabbit: 555m isk
- Junnichi Asakura: 1.110 bn isk

Thank you for your investments, and enjoy your interest earnings! ^^

Edit: Bond Matured, Paid out.

Investors once again thank you, and hope to see you again next time Cool
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2011-11-04 08:12:27 UTC
receiving of ISK confirmed.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Junnichi Asakura
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-11-04 10:17:46 UTC
Funds received as stated.
Thanks and may we continue to make money together in the future.

Good luck
JA