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[BOND MATURED, PAID OUT] 2bn bond @ 11% interest running 4 weeks. Trust is a valuable commodity.
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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-10-10 19:56:52 UTC
Of course it doesn't make sense. Years worth of scammers have realized the system to offering larger and larger borrowed amounts supported by shill alts until you reach an amount that you just keep. It is fundamentally no different than a "double your isk" jita scammer.

Fortunately this practice is all but dead now, leaving only the latecomer idiots like DJ Blackman and his obvious alts howling into the void like morons.

At least it makes for good show, and we can all point and laugh.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#22 - 2011-10-10 22:52:49 UTC
Do laugh and not have your share. Like minded people willing to offer trust will laugh all the way to the bank for not being a pussy or a pseudo-intellectual cynical know it all. You invest, you get your interest and capital back. Too complicated?

What you don't understand, the most basic principle, is that it all comes down to trust because there are so many ways to scam others if someone sets their minds to it, anyone who says otherwise and thinks only collateral will hold trust is gullible - there are countless ways to get around it. I do not need to do so, I simply offer my word and the olive branch that we both abide by honest intentions. I offer that, they offer investment. Same principle as chribba, and I am sure he is far more successful then you =)

Of course everyone is alert and wary of other's intentions, but we know when to do so and when to offer trust when needed, unlike useless cynics like you who knows nothing about finding the right people or when to REALLY be alert when it really matters and think being half-assed cynical makes up for that =)

If you are so smart assed and got everything figured out, I am highly amused that so many 'world-wise' 3rd rate cynic trolls are even able to give their financial and contact info to some company in iceland =)
Eddie Laydon
Laydon Industries
#23 - 2011-10-11 08:22:35 UTC
DJ Blackman wrote:

What you don't understand, the most basic principle, is that it all comes down to trust because there are so many ways to scam others if someone sets their minds to it, anyone who says otherwise and thinks only collateral will hold trust is gullible - there are countless ways to get around it. I do not need to do so, I simply offer my word and the olive branch that we both abide by honest intentions. I offer that, they offer investment. Same principle as chribba, and I am sure he is far more successful then you =)


unfortunately your word means nothing, you are not chribba and probably never will be after this bond.

im interrested in hearing what makes you different from say Angsty Teenager, who almost on daily basis offers to double the isk you send him?
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#24 - 2011-10-11 09:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ Blackman
Unlike you I don't attempt to proclaim others the worth of my word - they can decide it for themselves and make their own choices. Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and offer more respect Cool

I am sure many more are interested in you keeping your opinions where it belong - out of threads that does not concern your interests in the least =)

learn2read and if you don't agree, leave.
Eddie Laydon
Laydon Industries
#25 - 2011-10-11 10:43:21 UTC
im just trying to get to the bottom of this thing, and tbh avoiding answering questions, while at the same time trying to shut me up isnt helping your case.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#26 - 2011-10-11 17:54:39 UTC
Eddie, may I ask what questions DJ Blackman has not answered?

Rep grinding is rep grinding, and the end goal is to establish rep. There are more uses for good rep than simply scamming, even in Eve. As long as I feel that it is in the best interests of the bond issuer to meet his obligations, then I will be willing to invest.

Frankly, I'm a little bored with you self-proclaimed forum warriors pretending to know better than anyone else. All you ever accomplish is annoying actual market participants to the point where someone finally does scam just to vent their frustrations. Your entire argument here rests on the position that there is no reason whatsoever to issue a bond other than to scam.

My wallet, and the wallets of countless others, say that that's a very weak position indeed.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-10-11 18:08:42 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
My wallet, and the wallets of countless others, say that that's a very weak position indeed.


Oh hey, generic ponzi scheme response from obvious shill alt.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#28 - 2011-10-11 19:45:44 UTC
Thanks for that, Elise. I'd always wondered if you actually knew what you were talking about when you made that accusation.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#29 - 2011-10-11 20:53:06 UTC
Just look at laydon's hilarious avatar's attempt at looking smugly superior lol

It's frankly hard to take such people seriously in any meaningful way. Their user or their opinions for that matter.
Eddie Laydon
Laydon Industries
#30 - 2011-10-12 12:29:54 UTC
DJ Blackman wrote:
Just look at laydon's hilarious avatar's attempt at looking smugly superior lol

It's frankly hard to take such people seriously in any meaningful way. Their user or their opinions for that matter.


at least i know the diff between bid and buyout: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1430773&page=1#6

oh and i like how you always resort to personal attacks to change the subject. for a guy who is ranting about trust you are pretty secretive.

ps my avatar is kewl Cool
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#31 - 2011-10-12 23:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ Blackman
lame trolls best trolls. They make delicious fodder for more successful people with their hilariously desperate attempts trying to get the last word in =)

On topic: escrow up to about 7.6bn total, inspite of desperate trolls attempting to derail other people's efforts ^^
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#32 - 2011-10-19 04:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ Blackman
Update: Escrow up to 9bn. Amazing what you can do when you put in some effort and tactics into market pvp.


I am thinking of starting another 2bn bond to take advantage of various situations in the market that may be taking place in the near future. Is this advisable? Suggestions and constructive advice are welcome.
flakeys
Doomheim
#33 - 2011-10-19 05:44:58 UTC
DJ Blackman wrote:
Update: Escrow up to 9bn. Amazing what you can do when you put in some effort and tactics into market pvp.


I am thinking of starting another 2bn bond to take advantage of various situations in the market that may be taking place in the near future. Is this advisable? .


No

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#34 - 2011-10-19 07:15:41 UTC
You missed taking out the period flakeys ^^

Your troll powers are weak young one.....
Eddie Laydon
Laydon Industries
#35 - 2011-10-19 08:20:55 UTC
here we go again...Roll

give it up dude, no one is going to invest in your scam
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#36 - 2011-10-19 09:03:49 UTC
of course, "dude"

pubbies are getting uppity these days ^^

Esan or other investors, if you have any input, I would gladly hear them.
Junnichi Asakura
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2011-10-19 11:22:01 UTC
I wouldn't have an issue with a further investment however that will depend an awful lot on the interest rate and risks involved in the new deal.
Fire me a mail with what you had in mind

JA
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#38 - 2011-10-19 12:14:19 UTC
Mail sent JA. I will be starting a new thread on this if enough investors show interest. In fact, I could imagine expanding the bond size with increased interest rates to overall seize the opportunities and continue with market pvp.

I hope to not go above 15% however - that would make the margin somewhat slim overall and could defeat the purpose of bond issuing.

I would like to listen to any suggestions and constructive advice from experience bond investors on how to make these work well in the long-term.
RAW23
#39 - 2011-10-19 12:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
DJ Blackman wrote:
of course, "dude"

pubbies are getting uppity these days ^^

Esan or other investors, if you have any input, I would gladly hear them.



RAW's Rule of Investing No. 6:
Never invest in anyone who shows contempt for large chunks of humanity and/or who consider themselves to be part of a special, more valuable, group. There are good chances that they will think special rules apply to them and that they will be able to justify screwing you over to themselves on the basis that you are part of the 'out' group.


Edit - Cf. Rule No. 7: On Goons.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
#40 - 2011-10-19 12:52:37 UTC
no contempt for you, much contempt for those who show such attitude towards others =)

At no time were any of my comments unprovoked or unwarranted, Those who think they have the right to mouth off to others without provocation or better reason than 'lol i don't trust you and no one else should either lolololo' or simply because they have opinions should not be surprised they are getting such treatment.

I have made it clear many times that I simply offer a choice, not a chance to convince or to persuade. I am respectful enough to others to know that it is their prerogative to make that choice, and not my job to tell others how they should think. Some do not seem to understand these basic ideas however.

Respect and courtesy are two-way streets. We are given the OPPORTUNITY to be treated respectfully, not a blank check on them from the moment of birth. No one else can make you forfeit them, but your own actions can deny you such privilege.

Btw RAW, you putting up your rule about how to invest in other's threads seem to indicate that you indeed show some contempt just as those pointed out in your very own 'rule'. I think being pretentious can bite you in the ass.....by your example.