EVE General Discussion

I still run missions for the ISK, but have started to embrace the more fun side, on my former main, with some small gang work, flying with like minded individuals, from all areas of Eve, and killing whatever takes our fancy is huge fun. Besides the hate mail & bounty (thanks guys ) is totally worth losing destroyers for.

Hi sec got and is getting continuous nerfs.

One day they will indeed make hi sec a leper waste and guess what? Nobody will still care to go in nullsec.
But that's too much to understand. Making a place a piece of crap <> make another place good.

[quote=Jonah Gravensteinit's just plain wrong that a lo or null player can make more Isk in hisec on an alt than they can in the space they would normally occupy, given the potential risk in those areas of space and the resources available.[/quote]

It's statistically impossible to make lo or null sec make more ISK than hi sec.

The second you lose whatever ship you are using to make ISK you are hugely stepped back in a way that is uncomparable to doing the same ISK in hi sec.

This is what nerf-lovers don't understand. The game model is wrong, not high sec. Until there's a place with controlled PvP, any other place will forever be inferior for the average Joe. Not talking about moon goo overlords and such, of course they swim in ISK by making other sweat for them. But that's allright, if people like to be used like ants then the consequences are obvious.

Arkonor has the same intrinsic value of Veldspar: zero.

People give them a value due to demand vs supply and risk:reward.

High ends don't have a big demand and with the never ending blue balling going on, they also get farmed with little risk enough that make them worth as much as scordite.

When something still happened in EvE, despite we also had an huge high ends faucet in the drone regions, those minerals were seen as more "risk" and thus valued more.

so your wrong, in placing the blame on people who play the game in highsec
i underlined your statement, that actually says your wrong in blaming highsec players for the problems in the game

it's ccp's fault. in your own words.

what was it at the beginning of this year (between uh, january and about june was it?)? before hulkageddon and the drone/meta changes?

assuming i'm reading it right, it just shows a downward trend with a spike roughly before the meta/drone region changes and then carrying on it's downward trend as price drops becuase low ends become a bottleneck as the supply is reduced from the drone changes.

it's dropped about 400 isk since the start of the year looking at that chart, which isn't surprising if low ends has become the production bottleneck and demand for mega has dropped due to the decreased supply of low ends. can't use high ends if you've got no low ends.

Non-consensual pvp, ooh scary ~~

Indeed. The more crying in local, the better.

I sort of half agree with you here: You make some good points and some... less good points, to put it nicely.

Yes, CCP should take stock of the fact that most people spend their time in hi-sec. Very rarely will someone who is not a veteran player make a center of operations in lowsec or nullo.

However, the ultimate goal of the game should be to eventually venture into lowsec/nullo. However, there is no sufficient reason to do this for most players; many people fly solo, as some corporations have very strict recruitment requirements, and there are very few corps that are welcoming and friendly for new players or older inexperienced players who have not had much time to play the game in recent days. In order for people to be making that move to low/nullo, there needs to be a reason other than getting your nice shiny ship blown to smitherines by pirates and gankers.

One thing I liked about my early days in EVE was my first Epic Arc quest. These were interesting, exciting, and did an excellent job of bringing me through the game on a nice curve, and allowed me to venture out of my usual stomping grounds in Lonetrek. Epic Arcs are still great, but the problem is that there is one Epic Arc for newbies, but the rest of the current Epic Arcs (to the best of my knowledge) are mostly for people who are more experienced, have played the game longer, and would regularly venture into low/nullo. I think the first step to getting people into low/null is to have more Epic Arcs. Humans are naturally apprehensive of anything they try on their own, but if they have something to guide them at least partway, they will be more relaxed about it, and tasks won't seem as daunting.

Guild Wars 2, for example, uses your character's unique storyline to kind of guide the player through the game from the first level 5 zones all the way to new lands and eventually the high level areas. Now, holding one's hand through the entirety of the story may be a little overboard for EVE, but I think we can all agree that if we had more Epic Arcs, maybe a few that would require venturing into lowsec (unlike the standard missions we have now, which are totally optional and for the most part really don't seem to have an effect on the universe (I know the Epic Arcs don't either, but the story of them creates the illusion of an effect)). Epic Arcs could also help to develop player skills, so that older but inactive players can re-abilitate, and newer players can learn the skills of the game, so that they will feel like they'd have a fighting chance if and when they get jumped in lowsec. These players now have skill levels that allow them to at least compete with more experienced players, meaning even blobfests could provide more of a challenge and make the game more fun for all.

Which brings me to my second point: The non-consentual PVP is absolutely something that could never be taken out of this game. It is that special secret sauce that makes this game unique from every other MMO out there. The danger created by the fact that at any moment, some lunatic with a Raven State Issue could come from nowhere and put a cruise missile up your exhaust, is what seperates this form World of Guild Trek Online.

However, I have always though that the best way to develop highsec, and even low and null sec, to make them all more fun for everyone, would be to add more story elements. New Eden is a rich and dynamic universe, and if the novels, and even some ingame events (the Nyx that ran into the Caldari station, anyone? The Leviathan in orbit over Luminare?), have shown anything, it is that even Capsuleers cannot ignore that universe. CCP needs to embrace that, and add more story elements. Like the Incursions, but more organized. They don't need to be things that everyone at every point in time will experience, either. Guild Wars 2 does this spectacularly with once-in-a-lifetime Dynamic Events that shape the game's story going onward, like the Lions Gate event that just happened. They involve everyone in the community, are fun, matter to the lore, and can even encourage increased subscription rates. It's a win for everyone. Say the Caldari and Gallente fought another war. Highsec people could either enlist in the armed forces of their nations, provide war materials, escort convoys, all whilst being harried by other highsec players from the other faction. And a war would probably vastly reduce CONCORD response times... Lowsec people might find themselves using their shady nature in espionage missions, or could join in small gang raids on outposts or other tactical objectives, or could join in with the highsec people in their objectives. And the juciest part is for all the nullsec alliances, who in the far-reaching tumult of war, would end up having to take a side, or suffer the consequences when chaos rules the day.

I'm sure there are other ideas, but it's 10:40 PM where I am and I want to go to bed, so feel free to discuss this. Hell, start a thread about it and claim it as your own idea for all I care. If it makes the game better for everyone (and gets everyone to hate each other less, or at least stop assuming that everyone around them wants to blow their ships up)