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why all the High sec haters?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#21 - 2012-12-08 23:04:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Even people who would love to spend all their time in null or low choose not to because highsec offers such advantageous capabilities that it would be downright stupid to try to do stuff anywhere else.



you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for? Roll

were you aiming for a comedy response or what? Big smile

Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec.

With the new bounty system you can really rake in the ISK.

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Ryric Cynema
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-12-08 23:04:56 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp


You say people should be able to play how they like (within the rules) but then you want to infringe on how I want to play?

One second, running a locate.
starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-08 23:05:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec.



not true ... me and my old corpmates used to do just that and it still takes place on a rampant scale in eve.... and now it looks as if it will be commonplace in hisec in the not too far off future.

so maybe not that rare now is it? ...
starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-08 23:07:15 UTC
Ryric Cynema wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp


You say people should be able to play how they like (within the rules) but then you want to infringe on how I want to play?

One second, running a locate.



how exactly what i wrote in my post would that infringe on how you like to play??? What?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2012-12-08 23:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
starbelt stacy wrote:
you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for?
No, I mean like industry, trade, and bulk money-making on an individual scale.

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i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post.

this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that.

and that is being taken away from high sec people too.
No. Nothing is being taken away from highsec people. Trying to change EVE into one of those other games, on the other hand, does stipulate how other people should play the game. So no, you are making demands about how people should play, quite contrary to the point you wanted to make.

This is one of the ways some highsec-dwellers try to ruin the game: by actively campaigning for changes that would go against one of the fundamental design principles of EVE.
Ryric Cynema
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-08 23:08:40 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
Ryric Cynema wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp


You say people should be able to play how they like (within the rules) but then you want to infringe on how I want to play?

One second, running a locate.



how exactly what i wrote in my post would that infringe on how you like to play??? What?


Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#27 - 2012-12-08 23:10:55 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.

Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game.

Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you.



lol? .. Shocked

did you actually read what i wrote? ...

i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post.

this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that.

and that is being taken away from high sec people too.

I read your text thoroughly. And I outlined the parts that matter for you.

Remove standings and insurance.
starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-08 23:12:16 UTC
Ryric Cynema wrote:


Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?




why should you be allowed to that?.... it makes no sense.

let people make their isk then they will more than likely advance to pvp.... most do, hence the reason for making isk.
starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-08 23:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: starbelt stacy
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.

Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game.

Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you.



lol? .. Shocked

did you actually read what i wrote? ...

i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post.

this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that.

and that is being taken away from high sec people too.

I read your text thoroughly. And I outlined the parts that matter for you.




you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.

you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you???

almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differance to eve online.

i know some of the players their form of PVP is the equivalent of someone mugging a old man at the bus stop with his walking stick and bag of shopping and cant really defend himself... thats not PVP thats just a very poor show.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2012-12-08 23:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
starbelt stacy wrote:
why should you be allowed to that?
Because that is the game.
Because the game is a multiplayer sandbox.

“Multiplayer sandbox” doesn't mean you can do what you want. It means everyone can do what they want, which includes things that you don't want them to do (to you).

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you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.
Why should it be consensual? Just because “almost every game to come out” has it, why should EVE? In fact, if almost every game has it, doesn't it make more sense to have a game that doesn't do that so that it doesn't become just another uninteresting dime-a-dozen game that dies quietly a year later?

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it will be no differant to eve online.
…aside from not being EVE Online any more. Oh, and it would make a huge difference since the core elements of the game — the ones that make it interesting — pretty much rely on the existence of non-consensual PvP.
Ryric Cynema
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-08 23:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryric Cynema
starbelt stacy wrote:
Ryric Cynema wrote:


Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?




why should you be allowed to that?.... it makes no sense.

let people make their isk then they will more than likely advance to pvp.... most do, hence the reason for making isk.


CCP designed the game the way it is on purpose. Think about that for a minute.

And that last sentence... no. No they won't. History has shown us people won't.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-12-08 23:22:18 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Even people who would love to spend all their time in null or low choose not to because highsec offers such advantageous capabilities that it would be downright stupid to try to do stuff anywhere else.



you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for? Roll

were you aiming for a comedy response or what? Big smile


If you want a game where you don't lose the stuff you worked for, there is plenty of other games out there that offer this.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2012-12-08 23:23:11 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec.



not true ... me and my old corpmates used to do just that and it still takes place on a rampant scale in eve.... and now it looks as if it will be commonplace in hisec in the not too far off future.

so maybe not that rare now is it? ...

Given that my corperation is responsible for most of the tears about ganking for the past year I am going to say no. Ganking is only rampent on the forums.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#34 - 2012-12-08 23:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
starbelt stacy wrote:


scordite is what it is cos its contains 2 of the most important base ores for building just about everything ingame.


That doesn't make it right, it's an abundant resource as are the minerals in it, they can be obtained from multiple ores, the likes of arkonor, bistot and crokite as well as mercoxit produce some of the rarer minerals used in production, admittedly they're used in smaller quantities than trit and pyerite but their rarity should for all intents and purposes make them more profitable to mine.

starbelt stacy wrote:

you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.

you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you???

almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differance to eve online.

i know some of the players their form of PVP is the equivalent of someone mugging a old man at the bus stop with his walking stick and bag of shopping and cant really defend himself... thats not PVP thats just a very poor show.


That's just it, we already have an area for PvP, it's called the entire universe. Making hisec a PvP free zone is a silly idea and would go against the whole ethos of Eve, it's meant to be a harsh and unforgiving game, trammelising hisec would kill that, and with it the uniqueness of Eve. If you want a PvE experience with consensual PvP I suggest playing another MMO, Eve is all about PvP and the non consensual nature of it.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#35 - 2012-12-08 23:30:38 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.

Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game.

Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you.



lol? .. Shocked

did you actually read what i wrote? ...

i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post.

this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that.

and that is being taken away from high sec people too.

I read your text thoroughly. And I outlined the parts that matter for you.




you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.

you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you???

almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differance to eve online.

i know some of the players their form of PVP is the equivalent of someone mugging a old man at the bus stop with his walking stick and bag of shopping and cant really defend himself... thats not PVP thats just a very poor show.

I can see that you do not understand Smile.

Non consensual PvP in EVE is an essential part of the game for me. Everywhere in the game, including highsec. I don't have to actually take part in any PvP at a given moment in time. The possibility just has to be there. The ever present risk is part of the fun in this game. It is one of the reasons why I play EVE, why I like EVE.

Removing non consensual PvP from Highsec, the part of the game I live in atm, effectively reduces an important part of the fun I have in this game. Whether I take actively part in PvP actions or not while I'm online does not matter.

Remove standings and insurance.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#36 - 2012-12-08 23:33:26 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:

you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.

you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you???


No way.

EvE is a sandbox, basically the only sandbox game on the market. Open PvP is a characteristic of any sandbox game.
Changing this means destorying the sandbox model and also destorying EvE since is a game born and shaped so and doesn't have other evaluable non-sandbox contents.


starbelt stacy wrote:

almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differance to eve online.


Yes, in any other game is like you say. So do not touch the only game where this is different. If we are here and not in "any other game out there" there're reasons....
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#37 - 2012-12-08 23:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Darek Castigatus
Answers to the OP, pick any number.
1. Because not to put too fine a point on it, the vast majority of highsecers who post on these forums are whiney, self entitled individuals who think its ok to call me a sociopath or scum or any number of other hyberbolic insults because I like to pvp and simultaniously spew endless complaints about how mean people are to them because they live in high sec. You're the ones flinging the **** at us, dont act so shocked when we occasionally retaliate.

2. The amount of you who seem to believe that highsec carries any significant degree of risk that cannot be negated by the most minimal amount of preparation and awareness plus the massive rewards you reap under that lack of risk.
Simply put, you make too much money too easily and you do this in much greater safety than people who live anywhere else.
Nowhere else in New Eden has an omnipotent force patrolling the entire area waiting to blast any aggressors to atoms
Nowhere else in New Eden is protected from hot drops and capital ships
Nowhere else has that combination of income and built in protection.


3. The idiots who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions.
The main and usually only reason for people dying in highsec is because they were stupid, either through lack of prep, overconfidence or just plain not paying attention. Now you might argue that when it comes to suicide ganks thats not the case but the overwhelming amount of the time it really is. People puting massive values in poorly tanked ships (everyone remembers the 74 plex kestrel right?), autopiloting freighters with their entire net worth in the hold or fitting deadspace and officer modules to their mining barges are being ******* dumb, no two ways about it really, then they come to the forums and whine about it and refuse to accept any possibility it might have been their own fault.
Yeah, **** those guys.

The rest of you, the ones we can have an actual discussion with rather than having talking points yelled at us, you guys are pretty cool.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2012-12-08 23:46:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Answers to the OP, pick any number.
1. Because not to put too fine a point on it, the vast majority of highsecers who post on these forums are whiney, self entitled individuals who think its ok to call me a sociopath or scum or any number of other hyberbolic insults because I like to pvp and simultaniously spew endless complaints about how mean people are to them because they live in high sec. You're the ones flinging the **** at us, dont act so shocked when we occasionally retaliate.

2. The amount of you who seem to believe that highsec carries any significant degree of risk that cannot be negated by the most minimal amount of preparation and awareness plus the massive rewards you reap under that lack of risk.
Simply put, you make too much money too easily and you do this in much greater safety than people who live anywhere else.
Nowhere else in New Eden has an omnipotent force patrolling the entire area waiting to blast any aggressors to atoms
Nowhere else in New Eden is protected from hot drops and capital ships
Nowhere else has that combination of income and built in protection.


3. The idiots who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions.
The main and usually only reason for people dying in highsec is because they were stupid, either through lack of prep, overconfidence or just plain not paying attention. Now you might argue that when it comes to suicide ganks thats not the case but the overwhelming amount of the time it really is. People puting massive values in poorly tanked ships (everyone remembers the 74 plex kestrel right?), autopiloting freighters with their entire net worth in the hold or fitting deadspace and officer modules to their mining barges are being ******* dumb, no two ways about it really, then they come to the forums and whine about it and refuse to accept any possibility it might have been their own fault.
Yeah, **** those guys.

The rest of you, the ones we can have an actual discussion with rather than having talking points yelled at us, you guys are pretty cool.


You're a belligerent undesirable sir P, tbh Eve needs more belligerent undesirables, they make life interesting, provide content and are generally playing the game as CCP originally envisaged, unlike certain subsets of players who think that high security should mean immunity from player interactions, the removal of non consensual PvP, and that they can AFK all the things without risk.

The longer I play the closer I come to embracing that which I initially disliked about Eve, now I dislike what I was when I accidentally wandered into Eve from a background of FPS's and SP games.

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#39 - 2012-12-08 23:46:30 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Simply put, you make too much money too easily and you do this in much greater safety than people who live anywhere else.
Nowhere else in New Eden has an omnipotent force patrolling the entire area waiting to blast any aggressors to atoms
Nowhere else in New Eden is protected from hot drops and capital ships
Nowhere else has that combination of income and built in protection.

Aww yeah, it's ~highsec~ living the life

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Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-12-08 23:54:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
Why all the mega haters seem to be out in force to slate Hi-Sec and the people who choose to dwell here?
Because highsec is out of whack in terms of what it offers and because a sizeable number of the people who choose to dwell there are actively trying to break the game.


Could you expand on this "sizeable number"? I'm curious in knowing where you're pulling your data out of.

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