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suicide miners ganker: any ideas for catching?
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-08 21:23:29 UTC
Let's say: dedicated alt for ganking miners. System with mining bots, so there is enough miners for 1-2 gankers.

Ganker's procedure (don't say please he is human, i wouldn't believe):
0) watch asteroid belt with clear alt
1) make new trasher active
2) undock
3) warp to off-grid undock bookmark
4) warp to target
5) kill the target
6) warp with pod to some safespot to wait for weapon timer
7) warp to station, dock and wait until criminal timer is off (or for other reasons, can't speak for sure)
8) repeat until set of thrashers is empty

So. Let's say you want to catch him at least once. What would you do?

Side question: what is the reason for station to allow docking of criminal? Yes, i understand: NPC and capsuleers. However sitting in station until criminal flag is over doesn't make any sence.

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Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2012-12-09 02:53:50 UTC
If you think miners or carebears cry, the tears from criminals not being able to dock and play station games would send people out making arks.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#3 - 2012-12-09 06:42:59 UTC
Fly a Skiff and not give a fukc

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-09 10:38:02 UTC
Anyone who actually have read question? Lol

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#5 - 2012-12-09 12:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-09 15:48:00 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#7 - 2012-12-09 18:14:19 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.



You don´t want to catch him, you want to join him!

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-09 18:20:32 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.



You don´t want to catch him, you want to join him!

Lol

actually i wanted to kill his pod, but ok Lol

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#9 - 2012-12-09 19:37:05 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.



You don´t want to catch him, you want to join him!

Lol

actually i wanted to kill his pod, but ok Lol



Well, if he warps directly to the station in a pod, there is some chance to get him there as such a warp often ends outside the docking range and said pod has to slowboat into docking range.
That point is moot if he uses a bookmark on the station, of course, but perhaps you are lucky and he doesn´t....

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loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#10 - 2012-12-10 04:21:37 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.


Its funny when people start crying on the forums.

2/10 forum thread.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-10 17:15:55 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.


Its funny when people start crying on the forums.

2/10 forum thread.

it's not funny tho when people post stupid comments like 2/10 and never read.... How do you even learned to write if you can't read? Shocked

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Ctzn Snips
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-10 17:24:34 UTC
I like how you assume his pod is worth anything.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2012-12-10 19:27:14 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Let's say: dedicated alt for ganking miners. System with mining bots, so there is enough miners for 1-2 gankers.

Ganker's procedure (don't say please he is human, i wouldn't believe):
0) watch asteroid belt with clear alt
1) make new trasher active
2) undock
3) warp to off-grid undock bookmark
4) warp to target
5) kill the target
6) warp with pod to some safespot to wait for weapon timer
7) warp to station, dock and wait until criminal timer is off (or for other reasons, can't speak for sure)
8) repeat until set of thrashers is empty

So. Let's say you want to catch him at least once. What would you do?

Side question: what is the reason for station to allow docking of criminal? Yes, i understand: NPC and capsuleers. However sitting in station until criminal flag is over doesn't make any sence.


A.) How to catch the ganker.... Put a sensor boosted griffin with a point and 2x Minnie Jammers... Lock and jam him the moment he lands on grid (might be best if griffin was off grid and warps in right as the gank happens so the ganker doesn't know your plan). Then wait for concord to destroy his ship, at which point attempt to lock and point the pod. Don't fit a cloak, as it's sensor penalties will inhibit you to much... and realize catching a POD in highsec or lowsec is very difficult....

B.) Why not allow the criminal to dock? The criminal penalty means concord will destroy any ship they board (in highsec)... This has nothing to do with docking or not, so I see no reason to prevent them from docking...

p.s. docking is NOT the only way to keep your pod safe when you have a criminal flag... it's just a one fo the common options.
Diremage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-13 00:20:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Diremage
How to catch him at least once? Fit ECM's mid and ECM drones on your miners, break his lock and let Concord do the heavy lifting.

How to kill his pod? Smartbombs :p

Don't forget to turn your safety off before you try to smartbomb the pod.
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-13 03:00:07 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Let's say: dedicated alt for ganking miners. System with mining bots, so there is enough miners for 1-2 gankers.

Ganker's procedure (don't say please he is human, i wouldn't believe):
0) watch asteroid belt with clear alt
1) make new trasher active
2) undock
3) warp to off-grid undock bookmark
4) warp to target
5) kill the target
6) warp with pod to some safespot to wait for weapon timer
7) warp to station, dock and wait until criminal timer is off (or for other reasons, can't speak for sure)
8) repeat until set of thrashers is empty

So. Let's say you want to catch him at least once. What would you do?

Side question: what is the reason for station to allow docking of criminal? Yes, i understand: NPC and capsuleers. However sitting in station until criminal flag is over doesn't make any sence.


Sit off station in a thrasher or lower,Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

With Sensor Boosters and scram. Or when thye undock, shoot the station. Concord will warp in and get them.

Trust me!!

Also a ganker with a pod, very rare. Maybe just plus 3's

*Sidenote* Thrashers were so yesterday for ganking, its all about the catalyst baby!!!!

TwistedTwistedTwistedPiratePiratePiratePirate

March rabbit wrote:


Side question: what is the reason for station to allow docking of criminal? Yes, i understand: NPC and capsuleers. However sitting in station until criminal flag is over doesn't make any sence.


It makes plenty of sense, gotta spend some time to refit that ship

A True Champion of High Security Space
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#16 - 2012-12-13 03:02:58 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.


Its funny when people start crying on the forums.

2/10 forum thread.

it's not funny tho when people post stupid comments like 2/10 and never read.... How do you even learned to write if you can't read? Shocked


I got ganked how can they do that for me. lol.

qq more bro
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-13 03:06:54 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.



You don´t want to catch him, you want to join him!


This made me smile.

Come to the dark side.

A True Champion of High Security Space
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-12-13 06:35:21 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
You will probably want to draw CONCORD off the belt after the first gank.

Edit: This seems like good advise...


It's quite funny how people cannot read these days.


Its funny when people start crying on the forums.

2/10 forum thread.

it's not funny tho when people post stupid comments like 2/10 and never read.... How do you even learned to write if you can't read? Shocked


I got ganked how can they do that for me. lol.

qq more bro

nice copy-past kid, now learn how to keyboard Cool

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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-12-13 09:54:51 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Let's say: dedicated alt for ganking miners. System with mining bots, so there is enough miners for 1-2 gankers.

Ganker's procedure (don't say please he is human, i wouldn't believe):
0) watch asteroid belt with clear alt
1) make new trasher active
2) undock
3) warp to off-grid undock bookmark
4) warp to target
5) kill the target
6) warp with pod to some safespot to wait for weapon timer
7) warp to station, dock and wait until criminal timer is off (or for other reasons, can't speak for sure)
8) repeat until set of thrashers is empty

So. Let's say you want to catch him at least once. What would you do?

Side question: what is the reason for station to allow docking of criminal? Yes, i understand: NPC and capsuleers. However sitting in station until criminal flag is over doesn't make any sence.


Forgive me but I'm having a difficult time understanding exactly what you want to accomplish. You want to destroy the pod of the miner, or the ganker?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-12-13 11:53:02 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Let's say: dedicated alt for ganking miners. System with mining bots, so there is enough miners for 1-2 gankers.

Ganker's procedure (don't say please he is human, i wouldn't believe):
...
So. Let's say you want to catch him at least once. What would you do?


Forgive me but I'm having a difficult time understanding exactly what you want to accomplish. You want to destroy the pod of the miner, or the ganker?

i wanted to execute my kill rights on one such ganker. that's why thread.

But yea. I see that wasting time on him won't pay out. Something is wrong with killrights and system in whole.

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