EVE General Discussion

because of afk

Well, that is basically the reason for all the so-called problems miners claim to have. Everything should come to them free and without any effort. Waah waah buff our ships, buff concord, nerf ganking, nerf bumping, can't be arsed to try actually playing the game.

Because only about 20% of the null-sec alliances that say they want a miner actually want a miner, the other 80% want a target.

The miners that whine are the ones that want everything all their own way, they refuse to adapt to other playstyles, and refuse to accept that most of the game mechanics are there to make the game fair and fun for everyone, not just them and their chosen profession. If they want moon goo, they either have to buy it from the market or move to nullsec and set up a PoS to mine it, if they want morphite, they have to take the dive into low or null to find it... or again buy it from the market. If all these things were in high sec, there'd be no point to null sec in the first place other than it being a free-fire zone, and if high sec were 100% safe, it'd be boring!

Lie.



Mission LP and Rewards were cut approximately a year ago. Rather seriously too. Not really worth doing solo for the time now wasted.

Again, a lying Goon folks.

It's all they do doncha know.

Unless you're talking about the change to agent quality the only thing I can remember them nerfing was meta 0 loot drops and drone poo, bounties seem to be about the same, I still get an average in excess of 3.5-4.5k LP for lvl 4 missions and the mission rewards are still averaging about a million or so. Overall I'm still averaging 30-40 million isk an hour if you include salvage and loot, more if I contract the salvage out to Pro Synergy and just grind another mission.

Just checked back through a lot of patch notes, Incarna, Crucible, Inferno and Escalation introduced no changes to LP or mission rewards that are unrelated to FW, the only changes even vaguely related are listed in the paragraph above.

If you can find something I've missed, please feel free to post a response, preferably with a link to the patch notes you found it in.

Edit, the 30 or 40 million is before the LP/ISK exchange rate is taken into account, I use LP as a kind of bank account, I let it stack up until I need to purchase something expensive.

I know. See above.

And it was a pretty big deal at the time. I had just started doing Level 4's in my Raven, and I remember checking the day of the change and noting the around 4,000 payout for one was suddenly like 3250. That much I do remember.

Man, CCP really needs to finally publish or coordinate all these itsy bitsy nit-picky yet important mechanical changes.

Any searches now for descent clarification (which us geeks do 'enjoy' so much) is next to impossible, and even then, one does not know for sure if an even LATER change was made.

God that serach gave me a headache. Spent an hour on it.

1. To pay them something worth their time, my profits will sink, no thanks.

2. I'm never AFK, and I don't understand those who are except there are better games where that is safer.

3. Staying aligned will prevent loading to Orca with any ease . Besides it's useless. No matter which direction you are pointing and realize you must warp away, if they have even appeared you more than likely will be insta-locked. WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT. And not necessary. No difference in warp away time...and this has been argued back and forth for 10 years now so all we can do is agree that we are probably both somehow WRONG.

4. I ain't paying YET AGAIN out of profits for that.

5. Usefull in Null and Low yes and obviously. Waste of time in High Sec now after the barge changes.

I guess the only reason I have been ganked successfully only ONCE in 3 years while mining (a Mackinaw popped by the infamous Herr Wilkus no less) is that I'm never EVER afk. Ever.

Mayhaps that's the key.

Because your mining bots never die in highsec.

I did some months of high sec mining with my alt to fund other activities, but mined in null for one alliance operation only. What attracted more to high sec while i had access to null space was that i didnt had to pay a lot of attention. If i had to, then i could do more proftable actions like missions/ratting. My main was doing what he was doing, while every some minutes alt tab to alt. In order to mine in null you must pay enouph attention, at least have someone to mine with you or having your main in the same system to watch local and provide rat support. Even when only my mining account was active, i was watching a movie or something. If i needed something with more attention, well there are other stuff to do.

Apart from the attention span needed there were other reasons, mostly logistic ones. Manufacturing was not that great and the jump costs were cutting some profit. Also the replacement in case of any major mess would take time. Market was low also, thought manufacturing could provide some good profits but then you stumble into more logistic work.

As you see for a casual miner or an alt account not needing much attention high sec is the proper place. The small difference of the ore prices are helping that more. On the other hand, in a organized mining system in null someone that can pay close enouph attention, especialy with multiple accounts, is better than high sec. Rorqual give awesome bonus!



For 1 and 4 it reduces the isk per hour per member. For few members it is not worth loosing one hulk so high sec is a better option. For more, a coordinated drone swarm can kill the rats easily. Keep in mind that the hulks could be tanked for null sec mining before the changes anyway, now its even easier. Thought rat support from a belt ratter in system is always welcome.

Third advice is mostly wrong also as you need to jettison the ore while in organized groups. For solo work i made some points why high is better. Anyway no mining ship will be in belt if they warp when neutral appears.

I agree with second and with 5th while mining in hidden belt. But anyway when someone appears in local you should GTFO. So its kinda mute.

Remember that high sec is more convinient. Mining with 1 or 2 accounts is boring and does not require much work. Most people cant bear looking a rock for 3 hours. That's why in order to mine in null(eg pay attention) you must either have multiple accounts or have another account in the same system. Or have a very very isolated ratting system so you can mine afk. And if you can pay attention, why not do something more profitable(ie ratting/missions) or fun(explode the ships you made)?

I agree with you on all points but this sentence.

One needs maximum attention at all sec levels. And with Two Hulks mining and fending rats, and the Orca doing it's business (I have to also monitor it's Mining Drone input so it has room) and it's tractoring the rat wrecks in, I honestly don't stop mioving the entire time, with not a second to watch any kind of movie or anything. I'm too busy.

Again the key is never AFK and no books or movies.