EVE General Discussion

There's a lot of reasons, most of which have been pointed out but I'll repeat because I'm like that:

1) Profit. Generally speaking you aren't going to make as much profit in null-sec as you will in high-sec because of a number of factors, several of which are discussed later. The big reason is that the universe only needs so much in the line of megacyte and zydrine while trit and pyerite are always in high demand. When you add in volume (you get a ton of trit compared to, say, zydrine) then you're making almost as much money in high-sec as in null-sec.

2) Logistics. This is a big reason that makes null mining so unprofitable. So you have all this ore, great, now you need to actually sell it. There might be a local market, but null markets are going to have an overabundance of what you're mining (since everyone is mining it) so it's going to be worth less. To make the most profit you need to get it to high-sec, which either requires a dedicated transport character, hiring someone that has a jump freighter, or finding a wormhole that your alliance hasn't commandeered for their own use.

3) Regulations. Most null-sec alliances don't let their miners run around willy-nilly doing things exclusively for their own profit. They didn't bring you down here so you could make money. They're going to want a take of whatever you mine. On top of that, most alliances have rules about what systems you can and can't mine in and where you can or can't refine that ore.

4) Security. High-sec is perfectly safe excepting the rare suicide gank. Null-sec is not. You always have to watch out for roaming enemy gangs, and even intel channels are not infalliable - A sleeping alliance-mate or a random wormhole in your mining system can get you killed in a hurry if you're not paying attention all the time, and mining is so mind-numbingly boring that you don't want to pay attention to it for that long. Additionally, the belt rats in null can get quite aggressive, and being on the wrong end of an officer spawn or warp-scrambling rats can get you killed (and whoever kills that officer after you die certainly isn't going to share).

5) Skills. It takes a lot more skillpoints to hash out a career in null-sec mining. You need all your refining skills to make best use of the refining services and high-end mining crystals, you need to be able to tank your mining marge, you need a way to haul your take around hostile fleets or friendly bubbles, and you need to be able to fit a decent tank to hold off the belt rats. Compare this to high-sec mining, which you can do reliably with a few basic skills.

if you can't use t2 crystals you really have no business mining. you'll make more isk doing almost anything else. not to mention if you can use t2 crystals, a mere 2% refining implant will get you lossless refining in a 40% station if i'm not mistaken.

EVE is harsh like that.

That would also require Refining Level 5, Refinery Efficiency V, and (Ore) Processing I. Then the 5% Implant. Get (Ore) Processing V, and you can forget the expensive 5% Implant in Null Sec. But you will need it at a 35% station regardless I believe.

http://eve.podzone.net/refining.php


Let the arguing begin.

EDIT: confusing typo

i don't mind making more isk in easymode high sec than null sec. suits me fine.


what's to argue about? i know for a fact with the bare minimum skills for t2 crystals and a 2% implant i get lossless refining in whatever stations test have dotted about in fountain. i think they were 40%, certainly weren't 50%. ask a test member, they will tell you, or they won't.

That's why I mentioned the 'individual basis' part. Mining gets more profitable the more people you have doing it, and multi-accounters can make quite a haul off it. On the other hand, three ships running missions can bang those out pretty quick too, but they don't scale like mining does - More ships in a mission doesn't increase your payout, it just decreases time, and there's a limit to that.

Where did I say you could not ? hmm?

I offered a suggestion for NO Implant necessary.

But, that's not your idea so I guess I'm a fool and wrong.


OP, remember what I said ?

you didn't really say much, it was a rather ambiguous statement, and i just made a response. you mentioned 35% stations when they weren't even the... oh i don't care, i'm off to find more cough medicine.

The thing is you're using 3 characters to do it, how much isk would you pull in if you were using 3 characters to multibox level 4s?

I'd be interested to see the comparison on a per character basis as I assuming you mean you make more with an orca and 2 hulks plugging away at rocks than a single character would make running level 4's and plugging away at NPCs, please correct me if my assumption is wrong.

edit looks like part of my question was answered while I posted, not editing it out though or I'll have a zero content post

My old Alliance leader in Bison used to 3-Toon level 4's just for fun. His money was really in the mining. Not sure what the difference was though.