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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#61 - 2011-10-06 12:24:45 UTC
Jashmyne wrote:

As for buying ships in Eve Online with real-life money, how do you think I got my ships ? By grinding my butt off ? Hell no, I bought a few plex using real money, sold it at the market and used that money to buy my ships and fittings(which is how I got my outfits as well, I didn't use any Aurum for that). As long as it's a pre-existing ship then CCP can put them on the shop as much as they want as long as they are obtainable for the market as well using ISK. They can put reskins of a existing ship exclusivly on the cash shop for all I care as such a move would not bring any advantages to anyone.

If you think being able to buy any in-game item from the cash shop would not give anyone an advantage, you might want to learn how the EVE market works, and how hard it already is for miners to make isk... you are presenting people with a way to buy minerals, without having to mine, kill anything, or anything else. In EVE, because of our player driven economy, anything that bring any new items into the game has to be very carefully monitored. Right now the only way to get an item without minerals being SOMEWHERE in the history of it is the LP store, which has very high non-isk costs to purchase from.

Understand the systems you want so desperately yo alter before you try to have them altered.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#62 - 2011-10-06 12:31:20 UTC
Mai Kusoni wrote:
Ong wrote:
*snip*



Or they just remove PLEX from the game. Then everyone, not just the new players, will have to pay to play. I can just imagine the crying then.


DERP.

You do realise that PLEX do not just exist in game randomly and that someone has to buy them with real money. So (in case you didn't get it from my first sentance) someone has always paid real money for the month of game time; either directly through a sub or indirectly by buying a PLEX with ISK that someone else bought first with real-world cash.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2011-10-06 12:31:56 UTC
There's nothing problematic or sneaky about what Hilmar said, it's just a statement of fact.

They have no plans for X now and for the foreseeable future.

Their plans may change in the future - they have to have that flexibility to survive.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#64 - 2011-10-06 12:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
There's nothing problematic or sneaky about what Hilmar said, it's just a statement of fact.

They have no plans for X now and for the foreseeable future.

Their plans may change in the future - they have to have that flexibility to survive.




Which is basically the same PR Blogs they pushed out months ago, in a different format.

Same message, no change.

Just sprinkle in some sympathy and tears and you all bought it :)

Bread and Circuses, as long as you get ship spinning, they can keep you from leaving. If that is all it takes for you to stay, lol hahahah hahahahahah, stupid people.
Signal11th
#65 - 2011-10-06 12:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Oh no not this subject again.. To be honest I actually quite liked Hilmar's little blog but as I itterated the last time this went on. I haven't got a problem with vanity items as in if some clown wants to spend $80 dollars on a monocle that makes him/her look like a **** that's their problem.

If CCP start selling stuff that gives people an advantage over the normal player because they can afford it I will leave end of.

I would really like to see character purchasing stopped as well but thats another story. EVE is sill as good as when I first started and long may it contiue!!!

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#66 - 2011-10-06 12:37:05 UTC
I really hope CCP do put game items and remaps and slots into the NEX store, flush out the wussies.
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2011-10-06 12:37:17 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Jashmyne wrote:

As for buying ships in Eve Online with real-life money, how do you think I got my ships ? By grinding my butt off ? Hell no, I bought a few plex using real money, sold it at the market and used that money to buy my ships and fittings(which is how I got my outfits as well, I didn't use any Aurum for that). As long as it's a pre-existing ship then CCP can put them on the shop as much as they want as long as they are obtainable for the market as well using ISK. They can put reskins of a existing ship exclusivly on the cash shop for all I care as such a move would not bring any advantages to anyone.

If you think being able to buy any in-game item from the cash shop would not give anyone an advantage, you might want to learn how the EVE market works, and how hard it already is for miners to make isk... you are presenting people with a way to buy minerals, without having to mine, kill anything, or anything else. In EVE, because of our player driven economy, anything that bring any new items into the game has to be very carefully monitored. Right now the only way to get an item without minerals being SOMEWHERE in the history of it is the LP store, which has very high non-isk costs to purchase from.

Understand the systems you want so desperately yo alter before you try to have them altered.

Maybe so but that's not the topic now is it ?
The topic is pay 2 win and what you just posted has nothing to do with that.
Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#68 - 2011-10-06 12:46:35 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
There's nothing problematic or sneaky about what Hilmar said, it's just a statement of fact.

They have no plans for X now and for the foreseeable future.

Their plans may change in the future - they have to have that flexibility to survive.



Should i remind you of a year back statement that they have no plans for MT shop? Year passed, take a look at NeX.
Similar? No.
Same.

Don't let them fly safe!
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#69 - 2011-10-06 12:46:51 UTC
Jashmyne wrote:

Maybe so but that's not the topic now is it ?
The topic is pay 2 win and what you just posted has nothing to do with that.

Umm, thats exactly what it has to do with. If you can buy anything off the NEX that exists in game, you can refine it into free minerals... Thats pretty win for anyone who wants to build supercaps, and in order for it to sell any at all anyway, it will be cheaper than buying the mins with plex isk.

P2W would destroy the economy of EVE.

I'm not even going to address the fact that every eve player who enjoys pvp would end up quiting over it Roll

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#70 - 2011-10-06 12:48:44 UTC
The economy of eve is already destroyed, the market is so inactive, prices being pushed up.

Market is almost dead.
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2011-10-06 12:54:03 UTC
Phantom Slave wrote:
Ong wrote:
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh


If the MMO market went completely away from subscriptions and went to item malls only, then CCP would be idiotic to not follow suit. The MMO market has not done this yet, so CCP is staying the course. Why is this an issue with so many people?


Because some people just want to find something to complain about in anything they read. To be honest it seems eve has far more than it's fair share of these people, it must be the nature of the type of game eve is atracting these people.
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-10-06 13:08:56 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Jashmyne wrote:

Maybe so but that's not the topic now is it ?
The topic is pay 2 win and what you just posted has nothing to do with that.

Umm, thats exactly what it has to do with. If you can buy anything off the NEX that exists in game, you can refine it into free minerals... Thats pretty win for anyone who wants to build supercaps, and in order for it to sell any at all anyway, it will be cheaper than buying the mins with plex isk.

P2W would destroy the economy of EVE.

I'm not even going to address the fact that every eve player who enjoys pvp would end up quiting over it Roll

And who says it will be cheaper ?
Just look at the prices in the cash shop. Do you really think that CCP will put up ships in the shop that equal the market value ?
Of course not, it will be expensive as hell and won't be worth it just for the minerals.
Of course if it's expensive then people won't even bother to buy it from the shop and just go the same way I did with selling the PLEX for cash and getting the ship through the market
Which is why we will probably only see re-skinned ships making it a good point that you are buying this ship for the vanity alone as anything else is a waste of money.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2011-10-06 13:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Alex Sinai wrote:
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
There's nothing problematic or sneaky about what Hilmar said, it's just a statement of fact.

They have no plans for X now and for the foreseeable future.

Their plans may change in the future - they have to have that flexibility to survive.



Should i remind you of a year back statement that they have no plans for MT shop? Year passed, take a look at NeX.
Similar? No.
Same.

don't be a little child. RL is happens. RL is changing some time. People need to adapt. And no one can say for sure what will be years after.

If this is too difficult to you try to imagine that you will be in Eve, do the same stuff you are doing now, be in the same corp with the same people around 1-2 years after today? Can you say for sure it will be? Nope? Then why blame others for adapt?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#74 - 2011-10-06 13:19:09 UTC
I noticed that lately market prices are up on almost everything but ores. It's very hard for miners even of high skills to make good ISK not even speaking of making a PLEX off mining if not to mine 24/7 in High sec.

And if to do so in W-Space or Low Sec there's always something happens. Either K162 opens in with attackers or some super rats show up. Of course GMs say its game mechanics but somehow when you make big ISK always and i mean always something happens that you lose either very big part of it or even more then earned. Game mechanics, yeah right.

Don't let them fly safe!
Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#75 - 2011-10-06 13:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Sinai
March rabbit wrote:

don't be a little child. RL is happens. RL is changing some time. People need to adapt. And no one can say for sure what will be years after.

If this is too difficult to you try to imagine that you will be in Eve, do the same stuff you are doing now, be in the same corp with the same people around 1-2 years after today? Can you say for sure it will be? Nope? Then why blame others for adapt?



Really March rabbit. I'm so flattered.
When company makes these statements and then only a year after breaks their statements, would you personally invest your money in that company? I don't think so.
When that same company makes very similar statements on similar topics after that, would you believe that company? I don't think so.

So don't be a little child.

Edit: things

Don't let them fly safe!
Signal11th
#76 - 2011-10-06 13:31:00 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Alex Sinai wrote:
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
There's nothing problematic or sneaky about what Hilmar said, it's just a statement of fact.

They have no plans for X now and for the foreseeable future.

Their plans may change in the future - they have to have that flexibility to survive.



Should i remind you of a year back statement that they have no plans for MT shop? Year passed, take a look at NeX.
Similar? No.
Same.

don't be a little child. RL is happens. RL is changing some time. People need to adapt. And no one can say for sure what will be years after.

If this is too difficult to you try to imagine that you will be in Eve, do the same stuff you are doing now, be in the same corp with the same people around 1-2 years after today? Can you say for sure it will be? Nope? Then why blame others for adapt?



I do love these people who yell "adapt" when anything changes as they usually yell the loudest when something that they like gets changed.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#77 - 2011-10-06 13:33:39 UTC
Go FREE to play already...

Flush out the wussies and replace them with other wussies.
Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#78 - 2011-10-06 13:42:33 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Go FREE to play already...

Flush out the wussies and replace them with other wussies.



Disagree on that. I would not play free2play game since its obvious pay2win game.
Subscription based is good. Without shops inside.

Don't let them fly safe!
Nth Ares
Doomheim
#79 - 2011-10-06 14:00:18 UTC
If EVE finally goes pay2win, I'd advise just quitting this idiotic genre already. CCP's been amazing at holding out on the F2P/Cash Shop pressure for so long, and implementing it as halfheartedly as they did. I don't hold any illusion that their sub-based system can last forever though. I think that's why they always give themselves an "out" in these statements, just in case clauses for when the MMO market goes entirely to the bottom.

The players keep enabling F2P with their shortsightedness and addiction. "Must keep playing ****** game! It'll get better if I just buy these cash potions!" You think that won't happen to EVE? One of the big features they talked about for station establishments was the potential to deal BOOSTERS. I'd imagine many of these could be sold for real money, and be better than the drugs in the game now.

Let's try and hold CCP to their promises. If they go pay2win, quit and mean it. If they improve the game, stay and maybe even buy some of their stupid monocles out of solidarity. Yes in my mind these are mutually exclusive outcomes.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#80 - 2011-10-06 14:08:30 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Go FREE to play already...

Flush out the wussies and replace them with other wussies.



Disagree on that. I would not play free2play game since its obvious pay2win game.
Subscription based is good. Without shops inside.



Eve is already PAY to WIN.

I can PAY for a CHARACTER to WIN
I can PAY for PLEX to WIN


Eve already has a shop inside (NEX)


You are a bit late with your tears, a couple of YEARS late.