EVE General Discussion

You could always mine with the Venture :)

Did you get the right ones for the right ships? Because I can assure you there is much more than zero difference.

I know they've said the full room aggro is a bug, and they're working on it (it's just pve though, so don't expect it to be high on their list. they've got stuff like ccp roams and stuff to do, which are much more important to them)

I haven't seen them address the permaTD, but perhaps i just missed it.

Finished advanced military today as the last tutorial on a new char, jumped into a dragoon and made my first level 1 missions. Drones were set to aggressive and focus fire and were eating npcs faster than I could lock them, even out of targeting range (39 km).

The char had a few days more of training though (roughly 700k), so drones were actually lvl 5, scout drone operation lvl 4 and combat drone operation lvl 3. So I was able to fit a drone link augmentor. Still, drones didn't even get hit through shields.

Dragoon is pretty tight on CPU for low sp chars, if you want to fit three light missile launchers and a drone link.

Sensor Dampeners as opposed to ECM; the new skills are intended for use against ECM. The issue is that the Missions have various groups which sit at different ranges and at one time agro'd separately, and they don't anymore. They still sit at the original ranges, but all groups come as fast as they can now, just like Sleepers do.

With all those groups, the EWAR stacks against you along with the DPS if you engage all at once. This is why I suggested an Abaddon Smartbomb fit earlier; because the Frigates and Cruisers will reach you first, and they are usually the ones using EWAR iirc.

Because increasing your sensor strength to prevent target jamming will totally counter having your targetting range being reduced by 6 sensor dampening battlecruisers.

Either way, new alts and new players are all suffering right now trying to run level 1 missions. The tutorial doesn't explain how the difficulty curve out of the tutorial missions is about to rocket up, and none of the tutorials help new players adapt to the new AI. this means if they come out of the tutorial and don't want to go into industry, trading or whatever and want to do combat, they're going to be struggling for weeks before they have decent enough skills to take on missions like The Blockade. People would sooner leave a game and not upgrade from a trial account than have to chip away at such a sudden and unexplained difficulty. It'd be like playing your favorite shooting game, when all of a sudden the AI gains perfect aim and can headshot you from the other side of the level through every single object and you have no idea how to counter it.

They bring in a new tutorial to ease players into the game, then they bring in a tough as nails AI to beat them back down again.

It's exaggerated. Remap and run the tutorials while training the combat skills and you'll be able to run the missions in no time.

You start with Frigate 3, which is all that character had, and projectiles 3, which isn't far off as the character only had some additional gunnery skills to level 1-2. Add a Hull Upgrades, Mechanics, and Engineering to 2-3 and how long does that really take?

Lets just be specific, so you can see where the points are:


Electronics (1x) | SP: 8,000 / 45,255

Electronics Upgrades (2x) | SP: 2,829 / 16,000

Propulsion Jamming (3x) | SP: 4,243 / 24,000

Energy Emission Systems (2x) | SP: 2,829 / 16,000

Energy Grid Upgrades (2x) | SP: 2,829 / 16,000

Energy Systems Operation (1x) | SP: 1,415 / 8,000

Engineering (1x) | SP: 8,000 / 45,255

Shield Management (3x) | SP: 4,243 / 24,000

Gunnery (1x) SP: | 45,255 / 256,000

Motion Prediction (2x) | SP: 16,000 / 90,510

Rapid Firing (2x) | SP: 16,000 / 90,510

Sharpshooter (2x) | SP: 16,000 / 90,510

Small Projectile Turret (1x) | SP: 45,255 / 256,000

Weapon Upgrades (2x) | SP: 16,000 / 90,510

Hull Upgrades (2x) | SP: 16,000 / 90,510

Mechanics (1x) | SP: 8,000 / 45,255

Repair Systems (1x) | SP: 1,415 / 8,000

Afterburner (1x) | SP: 1,415 / 8,000

Navigation (1x) | SP: 8,000 / 45,255

Minmatar Frigate (2x) | SP: 16,000 / 90,510

Spaceship Command (1x) | SP: 8,000 / 45,255

Total: 247728; less around 50K for pre-trained starter skills, which makes for about 197K SP at roughly idk, 1700 SP per hour average, is around 115 hours, or 4.8 days without optimized attributes.

..now, does that really seem so hard to achieve within the tutorials? Nothing about basic skill training and skill application has actually changed.

It takes a minimum of a 2-3 days to run the tutorials without blasting through on superjuice, and anyone not spending all day, every day on it, is going to take 4-5 days to do them. Just the business and Basic Military took me something like 10 hours. After or during which you can mine in a Venture and accumulate ISK, explore the surrounding areas, read tutorials and ask questions, and a dozen other things.

New players don't just launch through their initial experience like more experienced players do; they have to take the time to figure things out and learn the game in the process.