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How come null is so empty

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#341 - 2012-12-19 03:17:15 UTC
Santa Spirit wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
Null is garbage. Plus all that empty space is empty because anyone who moves in gets WTFSUPERCAPBLOBBED just for the laughs.

^^this^^^ is how I understand it to be and most of the reason I won't go there.

Not 100% the case, but more than often enough you'll at least get dropped by something, maybe not supercaps but maybe a drake blob?

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#342 - 2012-12-19 03:52:15 UTC
Unlike the rest of Eve which is chock full of tasty honoure.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Torneach
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#343 - 2012-12-19 04:05:30 UTC
Actually nullsec is just a bunch of zombies.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#344 - 2012-12-19 04:14:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Example Citation

As someone not familiar with the area, how accurate is (not accurate)? Also is it counting Grav sites/upgrades?
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#345 - 2012-12-19 11:55:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
psycho freak wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Why be in nullsec, with all the danger, consequences and hard work involved when you can just make the some isk afk in highsec carebear haven.



if you can make the same isk afk in hisec as your can in running 0.0 missions/plexing8/10+10/10/ farming noms/chaining belt rats

please show me this magic hisec were i can afk this amount of isk


It's called incursions. which you can do 80 to 120 (did 150% in a super shiney fleet doing Vanguards last week, but to be fair that isn't the norm). Those figures DO NOT include the LP condored gives you which you can get 1800-2000 isk per LP for. The only downside is the delay getting into a fleet, but I fly a machariel and never ever have to wait long.

Running missions in NPC null can make you more, but people willbubble camp you into (or out of) a station (which would be moot if you could accept and complete missions outside station, but of course you can't because the same universe with faster than lgiht travel DOESN'T HAVE CELL PHONES).

Plexing 8/10-10/10 plexes gives totally random awards since CCP nerfed them a few years ago. In the Angel 10/10 (for example) you could get 5 OPE boxes that sold for 500 mil to npcs (plex"blue loot" so to speak), so even if the overseer doesn't drop juicy mods/blue prints, you got SOMETHING out of it. No more of that now, it's so random you can't put an isk/hr figure to plexing that makes any sense.

"Farming Noms" is (depending on the ship you use and the race of Rat) about as good or slightly better than high sec incursions isk wise (with rare faction spawns and escalations being bonuses), but overall still inferior when you add incursion LP to the equations.

Chaini9ng Belt rats isn't even worth mentioning and points to a player who either hasn't ever lived in null sec or hasn't been there since 2008.

The one overwhemling thing that makes incursions and to a lesser extent missions better income than anyhting in null sec is the fact that it is extremely difficult to disrupt high sec activities, where as it's really easy to disrupt null sec pve/isk making.

The worst that will happen in high sec is someone pre-loads an incursion site, someone in a logi tries (and usually fails) to withhold reps (they fail because a good FC will demand battleships like my Mach have large reppers and rep drones just in case) or someone will try to suicide gank or some such in a mission. All easily avoidable/mitigatable.

In null sec the only thing a person needs to do to disrupt your isk making is show up, MAYBE launch combat probes if you are in a plex. Sure, you could fit to fight them in the plex, but if its an escalation you're going to get out rather than fight because if you stand and fight you just gave up the location of an escalation that was otherwise uncannable. IE you just handed them your loot.

High Sec people love to cling to the idea that you can make so much isk in null sec as defense against the needed rebalancing of high sec, but they never take the realities of the situation into account. if you buff null sec awards you jsut hurt the game more.

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nop cant find it
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#346 - 2012-12-19 11:59:02 UTC
Damn phone lol

but you say incursions the guy i quoted was on about AFK hisec isk if u run incursions afk pls tell me how still looking for this magic hisec were i can afk same isk as grind in losec or o.o

if u dnt like were u live in eve move

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nop cant find it
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#347 - 2012-12-19 23:14:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
A lot of people complain on these forums how everyone in nullsec has blue'd each other. It's nullsec alliances fault for blue'ing each other and they should fight just for the sake of fighting. This is a dumb thing to ask them to do.
You could draw a real life analogy to mafia families making peace with each other because it is bad for business. Their is no real reason for them to fight each other and their are enough moons for everyone. Wars cost money, the ability to control a moon is to easy for large groups.

What we need is a conflict driver. A

Imagine if their were only 5 tech moons the CFC controlled. Whoever owned them would make huge amounts of money, but the allies of the goons would be unable to get their share of the pie. The massive coalition would not be able to keep people blue because the blues would want their share that they physically could not have. Smaller coalitions would break off and it would be a constantly shifting king of the hill battle.

Of course said resource probably would not be tech as I don't think it is suitable.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#348 - 2012-12-19 23:38:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Commander Ted wrote:
Imagine if their were only 5 tech moons the CFC controlled. Whoever owned them would make huge amounts of money, but the allies of the goons would be unable to get their share of the pie. The massive coalition would not be able to keep people blue because the blues would want their share that they physically could not have. Smaller coalitions would break off and it would be a constantly shifting king of the hill battle.

Of course said resource probably would not be tech as I don't think it is suitable.

We would probably sell the stuff and just give them ISK according to pre-agreed ratios, as worked out by the diplomats?

Seriously though, that would be nice, all the income, you know, except it would have to be nerfed.


WAIT, the logistics people that fuel the POSes and stuff would like it. Also there would only be 5 structures to worry about enemies reinforcing.

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Alabugin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#349 - 2012-12-20 00:26:47 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Null is garbage. Plus all that empty space is empty because anyone who moves in gets WTFSUPERCAPBLOBBED just for the laughs.


My readings are detecting high sec carebear.

Seriously though, Ive lived in null for the past 4 years. I rarely see supercap blobs...and they are rarely used and only for high priority targets (tech moons - despite the nerf).

I will tell you what made nullsec empty - incursions. Incursions ruined nullsec...
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#350 - 2012-12-20 00:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Another thing, big alliances can control a lot of space really easily. Any time you are attacked if you want to move your blob or capitals in all you have to do is light a cyno and you can be at any specific point in your empire instantly.

Capitals are the largest ships in the game but thanks to jump drives they are the most mobile. I say cyno mechanics being changed would be a possible option for bringing more people into null. Basically take away the ablity for all combat capital ships to be capable of jumping to cynos deployed by ships, but not jump freighters or covert ops.

If the goons had to station a permanent capital ship fleet nearby any important objective they would probably have a harder time sustaining such a large territory. It would be very interesting on a strategic level for the places your forces are deployed play an integral roll in warfare like in real life.

More space would open up for weaker entities to move in and populate null. However at the same time these weaker entities would have a harder time moving their capital ships to their space.

So then low security space could work on the same cyno mechanics we currently use, however at the same time an alliance could anchor a cyno generator in their home system (a system that is heavily upgraded).

Jump freighters and covert cyno's could work just the same as they do now.

Titan jump bridges would still be useful in connecting to your cyno generator and perhaps regular jump bridges as a retreat method or a rapid redeployment method after you get the titan their, bringing titans out as a sort of flagship vessel on a campaign.

During an invasion, tracking the whereabouts of a large enemy fleet moving around would be important, unlike now where you know exactly where the fight is going to be and everyone just shows up at the titan to be dropped in.

Although it is just an idea.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#351 - 2012-12-20 00:31:02 UTC
Alabugin wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
Null is garbage. Plus all that empty space is empty because anyone who moves in gets WTFSUPERCAPBLOBBED just for the laughs.


My readings are detecting high sec carebear.

Seriously though, Ive lived in null for the past 4 years. I rarely see supercap blobs...and they are rarely used and only for high priority targets (tech moons - despite the nerf).

I will tell you what made nullsec empty - incursions. Incursions ruined nullsec...

Incursions have been nerfed dood. Level 4's and FW killed it.

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