EVE General Discussion

The usual bickering and trolling down anything that breaks status quo. I can't really figure out if EVE hard core are a bunch of fat, retired politicians or unemployed game developers.

im too afraid to leave hi sec, and occasionally low sec, but actually seems low is worse than null, excluding npc of course

Jury is still out about that last bit.



And the underlined part is where you fall of the rails. It doesn't work that way at all and a person with actual null sec experience would know that.

But, rather than spending the time to learn about the topic you felt confident enough to post about, you spent time arguing about it.

Learn 1st, argue 2nd.



LOL, which is what we're talking about here. CCP has have been basically raising high sec rewards while snuffing out null sec rewards (militarily speaking, the industry side has always been rather crap)

You see, your ignorance of the subject is your problem. It used to be the way you say it should be. EVERY null sec system cold be upgraded the same as every other (with 2 sanctums and 2 havens per system, this back before the buff, Forsaken and forlorn hubs were barely ok back then).

And it was BAD. All space was even, even PROVIDENCE was useful (which is just wrong). It pumped crazy isk into EVE (back before the titan changes, I watched corp mates with a titan and a tracking link scimitar make 350 to 500 mil PER HOUR) while taking away an incentive to fight (if all "land" is good, why fight for land?).

So they nerfed it to it's current state. NOW most null sec systems that get upgrade can support a couple of dedicated raters because exactly SIX anomalies are worth doing and the rest are crap. (Both Sanctums, Both Havens, Forsaken Hub and Forlorn Hub).

And even in an upgrade system by yourself, and even with the most deadspace fitted ratting sub-capital ship you can take you STILL aren't going to make much more in null sec than you would in a high sec incursion fleet where you do nothing but press the buttons the FC tells you without even having to glance at local (because you can't even be in fleet if you are war-decced). when you factor in LP, High Sec incursions pay the individual pilot more than what he could make in null sec ratting in the exact same ship.

I still do anomalies in null because I actually like the activate and escalations are one of my favorite things about EVE, but from a pure solo isk-making stand point, null sec sucks behind wormholes and high sec incursions. high sec missions make less isk than null sec anoms and exploration, but is virtually un-interuptable where as null sec pve get interupted all the time.

Any of this clear to you yet?



Your experience sucks. Either you've never been to null or you didn't pay any attention when you were there. and how long ago was this anyway? 2010 null isn't the same as 2012 null.

The problem with that is power creep/ isk style. Buffing null sec just returns the game to the days before the systems upgrade nerf.

As far as individual income went, null sec was ok, even before the system upgrades scheme was put in. Then came the triple wammys of Wormholes (and blue loot), incursions (which exist everywhere but wormholes but can really only be farmed in high sec), and a big nerf to the ability to militarily upgrade null sec systems.

The upgrade nerf would have been totally ok if Incursions and wormholes didn't exist (especially incursions). But nerfing upgrades AND maintaining high sec content that lets a scrub in a tech1 battleship make 90-110 mil minimum an hour under the protection of concord = less combat pve done in null sec, more in high sec.

Fewer ratters/explorers/anom runners in null sec means fewer shiney targets (like carriers, machariels and vindicators) to be caught in plexes and blown up, less need for null sec business types to keep deep nullsec stations stocked with ammo and missiles (try to find reasonably price Null L in fountain lol) and other bad effects.

Imagine a water world where the economy is dependent on fishing, but the fish have the option of living on dry land where police will shoot you if you try to catch them..... That's EVE in it's current state.

Now you're simply lying. You did not ask, you told.



It's clear to me that you are the type that would blame others for his failing rather than take responsibility for his actions (you choose to enter a discussion you were not prepared for, yet that is somehow my fault?). In other words, you're a high sec player.

Before I started reading the forums I was putting small lasers on Minmatar battle cruisers.


(true story)

Wait.... You mean that's not good?

"How come null is so empty"

I might actually read this thread at some point, but first let me answer the question:

Null is empty because EVE Online is played by people, and generally, people do what is easy, not what is hard, what is safe, not what is dangerous, what is simple, not what is complicated, what is cheap, not what is expensive, etc. In null, the players will kick your ass. The rats will kick your ass. The unfamiliar dynamics will kick your ass. ("What's a bubble?") The logistics of simply getting from one place to another will kick your ass. (Where else, but in null, would you end up on a 50 jump route?) Most importantly, though, the emptiness will kick your ass. Null is a lonely place. It takes a certain type of person to pioneer into such a place, and those type of people are very apt to chafe under the yoke of alliance dogma, and there probably aren't many of them playing EVE to begin with (or in the world, for that matter).

CCP can make a great game. They can't make a great player to play it.

Because NCDOTTE has never undocked 70 carriers for a BC fleet. never

Titan hotdrops and you don't think first of PL?