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How come null is so empty

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-08 07:44:25 UTC
Did a 50 jump roam in my caracal and found absolutely 0 people going between gates. Jumped into a busy bottleneck constellation full of ratters and died as expected. Even then though the busiest systems in null have only 60 guys docked and active according to the map. Whats going on? Aren't their people roaming around looking for fights?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Midnight Pheonix
The Corpening
#2 - 2012-12-08 07:51:04 UTC
Didn't you get the memo? Null-sec power bloc's all blued each other for the holidays and are spending the time killing red crosses to RMT enough isk to buy christmas presents.
Imports Plus
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-08 07:56:04 UTC
Probably because its more worthwhile, appropriate, advantageous, advisable, beneficial, convenient, desirable, effective, feasible, judicious, meet, opportune, practicable, practical, pragmatic, profitable, prudent, seasonable, suitable, tactical, timely, useful, utilitarian and wise to live in high sec.

After the technetium nerf there is nothing worth fighting for/over in 0.0

Nothing of value at all
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-08 08:01:40 UTC
Because many moons ago several small alliances rebelled against the big alliances and claimed they where ruining the game.
And now those small alliances have become the very thing they where fighting against.

NAP's and Huge alliances can't help but stabilize null into the sleep fest it is today.


SOV needs to be moved down to the Corporation Level so that anarchy, back stabbing and civil war can return to EVE.

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-08 08:03:09 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Because many moons ago several small alliances rebelled against the big alliances and claimed they where ruining the game.
And now those small alliances have become the very thing they where fighting against.

NAP's and Huge alliances can't help but stabilize null into the sleep fest it is today.


SOV needs to be moved down to the Corporation Level so that anarchy, back stabbing and civil war can return to EVE.


Won't they just make coalitions exactly like alliances do now?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-12-08 08:04:47 UTC
This is what happens when you ally everyone you can, and blob anything that shows up to fight instead of paying you to join.

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Frying Doom
#7 - 2012-12-08 08:08:56 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Because many moons ago several small alliances rebelled against the big alliances and claimed they where ruining the game.
And now those small alliances have become the very thing they where fighting against.

NAP's and Huge alliances can't help but stabilize null into the sleep fest it is today.


SOV needs to be moved down to the Corporation Level so that anarchy, back stabbing and civil war can return to EVE.


The easiest one is to tie Sov to usage. You don't use it you lose it.

Then people could be found all over the place.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2012-12-08 08:18:02 UTC
If we had system to system dial in warp like Star Trek or Star Wars it would be the end of the Great Wall of Carebear formed by the gank pipelines and intel channels and the end of safe nullsec.

Get rid of local too and it's the end of botting.


It would also be a crapstorm as gate camps are replaced by combat patrols and nullbears ragequit all over the forums.

Leet PVPers who sit on gates all day killing everything that moved 20 to 1 would have to adapt or die.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#9 - 2012-12-08 08:26:38 UTC
It basically boils down to this.

A lot of space in nullsec is essentially worthless. Key systems are extremely desireable. Because of this, there is a lot of "dead space" between hubs of activity.

Hub systems can be extremely busy. When TEST isn't deployed, K-6 can have more people in it than Dodixie. Each nullsec alliance will have 1-2 major hubs, no more, as centralization is convenient.

Outside this, particularly good ratting systems will have constant activity. These are usually -1.0 truesec or close to it.

People rarely, if ever, camp gates in null. It is boring and not very productive. People instead tend to hunt for targets. There are a few exceptions, like severe choke points, hostile pipes during major PvP activity or enemy deployment, and highsec-to-nullsec gates.

If you want to find people, visit hubs or areas where fleets are being active. Any war front is sure to have camped gates, fleets, small roams, scouts, etc flying absolutely everywhere. If you want to see people, identify an alliance hub and pay a visit, just don't expect to be welcomed with open arms.

It just isn't very representative of nullsec to fly through a few dozen backwoods systems and think "man nullsec is so empty", because lemme tell you, when a nullsec system gets hot, it gets really f'ing hot.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-08 08:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Commander Ted wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Because many moons ago several small alliances rebelled against the big alliances and claimed they where ruining the game.
And now those small alliances have become the very thing they where fighting against.

NAP's and Huge alliances can't help but stabilize null into the sleep fest it is today.


SOV needs to be moved down to the Corporation Level so that anarchy, back stabbing and civil war can return to EVE.


Won't they just make coalitions exactly like alliances do now?



Yes and no.
My main issue with SOV is the the Alliance holding Corps.
Right now if I don't like a corporation in my alliance I kick them out and any station they held basically loses SOV.
That shouldn't happen it should be tied to the corporation that controls it.
There is a lot more to it but basically Null should be feudal.
Alliances should be true alliances if a corp leaves the alliance and joins another they should keep there sov.
If you want there station or system you have to take it just not kick them out.
YEs I want to see a civil war in an alliance I want anarchy or the closest thing to it which is a feudal system.
The controlling corp should be the name of the alliance and if power shifts because all the other standing corps decides to change it then guess what, it will change and a power struggle will happen.
That is what EVE is after all.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-08 08:29:50 UTC
Null is garbage. Plus all that empty space is empty because anyone who moves in gets WTFSUPERCAPBLOBBED just for the laughs.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#12 - 2012-12-08 08:30:26 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

Yes and no.
My main issue with SOV is the the Alliance holding Corps.
Right now if I don't like a corporation in my alliance I kick them out and any station they held basically loses SOV.
That shouldn't happen it should be tied to the corporation that controls it.
There is a lot more to it but basically Null should be feudal.
Alliances should be true alliances if a corp leaves the alliance and joins another they should keep there sov.
If you want there station or system you have to take it just not kick them out.
YEs I want to see a civil war in an alliance I want anarchy or the closest thing to it which is a feudal system.
The controlling corp should be the name of the alliance and if power shifts because all the other standing corps decides to change it then guess what, it will change and a power struggle will happen.
That is what EVE is after all.


Micromanaging who gets the last shot on a structure when multiple alliances are involved is already annoying enough =/
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#13 - 2012-12-08 08:32:09 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If we had system to system dial in warp like Star Trek or Star Wars it would be the end of the Great Wall of Carebear formed by the gank pipelines and intel channels and the end of safe nullsec.

Get rid of local too and it's the end of botting.


It would also be a crapstorm as gate camps are replaced by combat patrols and nullbears ragequit all over the forums.

Leet PVPers who sit on gates all day killing everything that moved 20 to 1 would have to adapt or die.

This argument you've been making hasn't changed for a long time, but the reality that people who are too afraid to go to null today would still be too afraid to go to null, even with these changes, didn't change either. Especially if local were to be removed as well.

There are already ways to bypass choke points today. Wormholes, for example, is the best one. Jump clones, especially with the use of a Rorqual, is another. Sometimes you'd need to get a covert ops frigate or two in position before you go, but those can escape any camp with ease anyway.

People are afraid to go to null because they fear what's inside, not because they fear the path that leads there. Don't believe me? Go ask some long-time empire carebears why they don't make the move.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Josef Djugashvilis
#14 - 2012-12-08 08:35:48 UTC
Stealth nerf hi-sec even more thread detected.

This is not a signature.

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-08 08:43:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Akirei Scytale wrote:


Micromanaging who gets the last shot on a structure when multiple alliances are involved is already annoying enough =/


This has nothing to do with micro management.
If anything this system will be a lot more simple as the list of things an alliance gives you will be very small.

This promotes larger corporations and alliances that have less to bind them together.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#16 - 2012-12-08 08:43:10 UTC
Two words: "Dynamic sec status".
As you develop a system, the sec status slowly goes up, and the value of everything in it goes down.
That means a tech moon has a finite lifespan until the sec status of the system is too high to support a tech moon.

Conversely, a system that is empty with no activity slowly loses sec status, and the rats/moons/asteroids get more valuable.

Gone are the static blue alliances.
Hello nomadic groups constantly exploring and fighting over riches that ebb and flow depending on the activity level in that system.

Someday a 0.8 backwater might become a -1.0 trusec, and a -1.0 might become a 1.0
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#17 - 2012-12-08 08:55:37 UTC
where did you roam?

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-12-08 08:58:47 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:


And was anyone playing ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2012-12-08 09:07:42 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Two words: "Dynamic sec status".
As you develop a system, the sec status slowly goes up, and the value of everything in it goes down.
That means a tech moon has a finite lifespan until the sec status of the system is too high to support a tech moon.

Conversely, a system that is empty with no activity slowly loses sec status, and the rats/moons/asteroids get more valuable.

Gone are the static blue alliances.
Hello nomadic groups constantly exploring and fighting over riches that ebb and flow depending on the activity level in that system.

Someday a 0.8 backwater might become a -1.0 trusec, and a -1.0 might become a 1.0

Great, now tweak it so that Jita will go to something like 0.4 please

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#20 - 2012-12-08 09:11:39 UTC
Why bother to engage in actual nullsec PvP when your killboards can look so awesome from highsec ganking? Those guys dont shoot back, and your not going to get a super-massive capital fleet titan bridged onto your face.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

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