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Because all they do is fight over the socialized healthcare system, the many government jobs it supports, how to fund it and what they can get out of it. It's become a major issue in Europe, dwarfing all other issues for the most part. So if someone or something is not contributing their 'fair share' it becomes an issue of 'moral grounds' effecting everyone. So like in France, it becomes moral grounds to tax the producers 75% to save the failing system for the meager classes. It's really a lesson we should have learnt in the US by their example, so to not try to adopt the system here, but unfortunately we are not so knowledgeable about issues beyond our borders. Once it starts, there is no going back (seemingly) and you can only go deeper and deeper. Quite interesting...

Deliberate misinterpretation of what I have said is a cheap and unworthy tactic.

There is nothing wrong with earning wealth and I never compared this to murder. There is also nothing wrong with working within the rules of a fair and equitable system to better your own situation. Everyone likes nice things, and we should all be able to go out and work towards acquiring some.

What is wrong is abusing your wealth and power to change the entire tax system so you can accumulate more wealth and power (rinse and repeat) at the expense of those unable to exert undue economic influence on the economy.

Something also is wrong when every technological advance that increases productivity results not in shorter working hours and better working conditions for all, but in a larger percentage of profit for our owners and another round of lay offs followed by the demonisation of those out of work and lower wages for those lucky enough to still be working under threat of demotion to the jobless underclass.

When folk who paid what were deemed "necessary taxes" their entire lives, are left destitute in their old age and face death through starvation, ill health and hypothermia in a supposedly civilised society (UK I'm talking about here, but I'm aware we aren't alone) whilst already obscenely rich folk benefit from a continually increasing share of the wealth, then I'm afraid that is indeed getting away with murder.

I never said that morality is whatever set of beliefs that is currently fashionable. As fickle as the UK public is, even it doesn't change it's mind that quickly. However, there is some evidence to suggest that your suggestion that this would mean "the world cannot be elevated beyond despotism, it can only rotate despots" might actually hold some water. There is an expression in common useage here, same team - different jerseys, that would seem to apply.

Shall we wait and see how much economic activity is generated by the recent cut in corporation tax in the UK? The increased economic freedom ought to generate some shouldn't it, after all, if we throttle back on dampening economic activity we'll all be better off won't we?

I agree that with you that "...Morally, it is wrong to favor a system of government that creates economic conditions that keep more people in poverty and dependency..." it's just that I think we have an entirely different idea of what is keeping folk in poverty and dependancy and just who is to blame.

never mind

The investigators are being paid and have work.
The Tax office workers are being paid and have work.
Starbucks clearly had work.

Starbucks are being the scapegoat because, unlike cash in hand remedials anywhere in the country, they record all the work they've done - then clean the money away. Cash-in-hand repair work doesn't appear anywhere to be taxed. Likewise people expect civil servants to exist, hence/coincidentally there is always a scandal they are justifiably working on.


The UK is actually great.

erm... where to start?

OK.

If there's a loophole to be taken advantage of it's generally there because those using it have used their undue influence to make it so. If it remains open after being discovered this is for the same reason.

Never met anyone who flat won't work. Met a few that couldn't. Met quite a few that shouldn't. Met a few from overseas who aren't allowed to because the rules say they can't whilst claiming asylum. Met even more who were working but now aren't and are in the position of soon being forced to go and do their old job for benefits + travel expenses because slavery is now fashionable again and big business has discovered it can sack grunt level employees and have them replaced by the state for free.

Eton bum-boy wouldn't be saying anything at all if attention hadn't first been drawn to it by those at the sharp end. Now it's out in the open he has to say something or he'd look complicit. Not pushing many laws to stop it though is he?

It's OK though because there are enough jobs in the UK for everyone so those that aren't working are doing so just for the luxurious lifestyle afforded those on benefits and once we've had the pogrom things will be back to normal and the money will all miraculously trickle down from the havens offshore to the betterment of all.

BNP is that way btw ------>

Yep its the NHS that has bancrupt the country and not the massive deregulation of the banking sector and mismanagement and intoduction of ever more tax loopholes from a party that has a history of making a mess of the countries finances every time they get into power

Below all of this is the underlying process.

There are rules, the rules are accessible with the right level of effort.

Once you know all the rules, juxtapose.


As for the ignorance? I'm still 100% certain that all the loopholes, in all of the finances, in all the companies in the world, are not someone pulling a fast one, it must have been lots of people pulling a somewhat slow one, and now its undesirable.

See case in point. Tax loopholes are destroying the country? That's acquisition and not distribution. Yes you must take money to spend it. If it wasn't spent, it wouldn't need to be taken, or spent less. And when there are programs that can take everything and still fall short of perfection, especially where human lives are concerned, the taking is never enough and it seems to become a moral issue.

But tax loopholes are there for favored companies, it becomes an issue when unfavored companies take advantage of the same tax loopholes. So what might be there for the kings fox breeding kennel company (to the HUNT!), well gets discovered and utilized by everyone else.