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So, have we seen the end of the EvE pirate?

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#61 - 2012-12-17 17:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Last time I was in losec, two or three days ago, a hauler jumped into the gate we were watching. The guy only had time cry " why?" in local befote he was shown the way out

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#62 - 2012-12-17 18:00:14 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Here is how piracy works now post Retribution:

Two pirates, Frick and Frack, BFFs, are working together and find some lone merchant with gaboodles of cash. The gank his helpless merchant ship and begin sifting around the wreck for loot. Ten seconds later the merchant, still in his pod, places a bijillion ISK bounty on their heads. Frick and Frack look at each other for a few seconds and then BFF turns into a second wave of combat as they proceed to immediate blow the crap out of each other.

In short, no honor amongst thieves... at least thieves with big enough prices on their heads (Read: ALL OF THEM).



Yes because all pirates value a little bit of isk over the camaraderie they have been building up with their corp/alliance buddies for months or years..

Especially since no pirates in eve have more isk than they know what to do with.. Nope nope..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
You've got RED on you
#63 - 2012-12-17 18:58:44 UTC
I'm dead?




Again?

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2012-12-17 20:36:11 UTC
Kane Rizzel wrote:
I'm dead?




Again?

Relax as long as you keep your clone contracts up, you can always be a zombie.
Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
You've got RED on you
#65 - 2012-12-17 23:21:32 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Kane Rizzel wrote:
I'm dead?




Again?

Relax as long as you keep your clone contracts up, you can always be a zombie.



BRAAAAAAAAAIIIIIINNNNNNZZZZZZZZ

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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-12-19 03:03:52 UTC
I was strolling down Sand Street one fine summer night
And I spied a fair damsel as she hove in sight.
I ran up my number, to which she replied,
"I'm a Chinatown bumboat going out with the tide,
"I'm a Chinatown bumboat going out with the tide."

I passed her a hawser and took her in tow,
We crossed down the way like a couple should go.
We turned in an alley not too clean or neat,
And we dropped out mudhooks at the end of the street. (2 times)

She then led me up to a third-story floor,
And in her fine stateroom I soon laid her o'er.
She cleaned up her courses and her red flag downhaul,
Laid her lily-white hand on me reeftackle-fall. (2 times)

I gazed in her sternsheets, saw plenty of room,
And into her hullpipe I shoved my jibboom.
With her fenders o'erhanging like a bent scupper's lip,
Pretty Polly's a pirate who scuttled my ship. (2 times)

She rolled and she pitched like a ship in a storm,
And cried out, "Oh, sailor, you're doing me harm!
You're in the wrong port!" she cried out in alarm.
Well, the wrong port be damned, any port in a storm. (2 times)

She burnt down me rigging clean down to the hull,
And back to the sickbay me punt I did scull.
With me foregaps all bent and me mainmast unstrung,
The doctor said, "Sailor, yer jibboom is sprung." (2 times)

Now I'm lying in sickbay, me stern to the wall,
The Chinatown bumboat the cause of it all.
It's ashes to ashes and dust unto dust,
Tell me, where is the woman a sailor can trust? (2 times)
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Bruce Kemp
Best Kept Dunked
#67 - 2012-12-20 12:04:06 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
**** no,

The new crimewatch is pretty much the best thing that has ever been introduced to the game for outlaws.

That along with my personal favorite, "c-key insta5°scan"



As to other points.. Ashamed for being an outlaw? You're hanging in the wrong circles mate..



^^ This.

Twisted
Farelle
The Black Rabbits
RAZOR Alliance
#68 - 2012-12-29 19:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Farelle
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Here is how piracy works now post Retribution:

Two pirates, Frick and Frack, BFFs, are working together and find some lone merchant with gaboodles of cash. The gank his helpless merchant ship and begin sifting around the wreck for loot. Ten seconds later the merchant, still in his pod, places a bijillion ISK bounty on their heads. Frick and Frack look at each other for a few seconds and then BFF turns into a second wave of combat as they proceed to immediate blow the crap out of each other.

In short, no honor amongst thieves... at least thieves with big enough prices on their heads (Read: ALL OF THEM).


Not seen it happen. Certainly wouldn't do it myself. The bounty on FW plexers is nice tho.

Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Yes because all pirates value a little bit of isk over the camaraderie they have been building up with their corp/alliance buddies for months or years..

Especially since no pirates in eve have more isk than they know what to do with.. Nope nope..



That to.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#69 - 2012-12-29 22:20:20 UTC
What is a pirate anyway?

People call me a pirate all the time, but I don't think I'm a pirate, and I'm sure that the majority of people who call themselves pirates don't think I'm a pirate.

It all seems fairly subjective.
Oswald Bolke
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-01-01 02:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Oswald Bolke
To me, as a new player it's pretty annoying to get one shotted all the time by pirates. IMO It needs to be toned down...makes it pretty hard when the minute you step into Low sec somebody blasts you in one shot.

I'd say, a pirate is pretty much a cheap player, who sits around gates and well...gate camps. They have all this nice grandiose "look how gruff and cool they are and say they PVP but IMO PVP is when people are expecting to fight, they just ambush pick on the little guy and wonder why everybody else dislikes them
Eight Two
SWIFT Inc.
#71 - 2013-01-01 13:53:54 UTC
Oswald Bolke wrote:
To me, as a new player it's pretty annoying to get one shotted all the time by pirates. IMO It needs to be toned down...makes it pretty hard when the minute you step into Low sec somebody blasts you in one shot.

I'd say, a pirate is pretty much a cheap player, who sits around gates and well...gate camps. They have all this nice grandiose "look how gruff and cool they are and say they PVP but IMO PVP is when people are expecting to fight, they just ambush pick on the little guy and wonder why everybody else dislikes them


You're mistaking the usualy 30 year old, white, single and bored male killwhore acting like a kid in local with some of the more serious outfits. The whole point about piracy is that fair or "gud" fights are kind of counter-productive.

It's preying on the weak (harvesting PvE ships in best case) for profit not for ehonor and circlejerking over how fair you all are. Also: the real pirate outfits troll with their guns rather than their mouths.

That said, I would be mighty pissed off actually if I would find certain systems (looking at the TunDragon guys or SCUM. here for instance) would be safe.

Low is mighty empty in a lot of regions anyways - believe it or not some of us actually enjoy running gatecamps when running missions or plexes outside of Empire. It's not like Eve's PvE is particularly focused on being interesting and challenging.

Give it some time to let the excitment of "new" wear down a little, you'll come to appreciate the thrill of it all. Avoiding unwanted PvP for whatever reason not by hiding in highsec but by... you know active participation is very much PvP as well. The smarter one either gets away or gets the kill.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#72 - 2013-01-01 16:48:52 UTC
As long as there is the possibility to kill people for profit in Eve then there will be people who do it.

Piracy never dies it simply evolves.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.

Angron Vail
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-01-05 00:03:58 UTC
Oswald Bolke wrote:
To me, as a new player it's pretty annoying to get one shotted all the time by pirates. IMO It needs to be toned down...makes it pretty hard when the minute you step into Low sec somebody blasts you in one shot.

I'd say, a pirate is pretty much a cheap player, who sits around gates and well...gate camps. They have all this nice grandiose "look how gruff and cool they are and say they PVP but IMO PVP is when people are expecting to fight, they just ambush pick on the little guy and wonder why everybody else dislikes them



For 200mil isk I'LL let you pass through Adirian for a week.

And i only fly frig hulls btw (occasionally a bc). Ever sit on a gate in a frig? you don't last long. so saying That we all sit on gates and blob people is a Misconception of inexperience. The corp I'm in prizes it's self on solo/frig combat. Matter of fact the Alliance i am in scored over 600 solo kills in 30 days, so not all of us sit on gates or blob. I am a pirate, i prey on noobs, mission runners, miners and FW ships, why cuz i can get more from half the stuff you drop than i can for your ship hull, and i don't want your ship 99% of the time. I will ransom your pod, if you pay your free to go, if not, update your clone. I offer to sell mining licences to people for passage, i gank miners in hisec and scoop the loot with an alt etc etc.. And pvp is Player vs Player, shooting you, the player, is pvp by definition, this aint the UFC, no bells, no refs, best you can do is shoot back.

Piracy is not dead, not at all, I have made more isk since ret came out than ever.
ZX 185
Zealot's
Shadow Ultimatum
#74 - 2013-01-06 14:32:43 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Nothing happened. There is nothing glamorous nor honorable about being a pirate. Pirating is an ugly profession that will never get any respect except from other pirates.



Wasn't/isn't PL Pirates??? Or What about Snuffbox??? Two respected pirate player bases off the top of my head
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-01-06 15:40:56 UTC
SB Rico wrote:
As long as there is the possibility to kill people for profit in Eve then there will be people who do it.

Piracy never dies it simply evolves.


Evolving into bumpers. That's like the T-REX evolving into the duck.
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-01-06 18:38:25 UTC
Olek Strzela wrote:
Alright, let's be serious and look at this objectively for a moment.

Before Retribution was released, piracy was in decline. Understandably, some die-hards (myself included) don't want to admit any truth to this, and others attempt to address it by flaming and shooting down posts as care-bears and such. In truth, especially after Retribution, it really feels like our chosen profession is dying a slow and painful death.


You cant be more wrong. Piracy holds well especially after Retribution patch.

Tactics changed.
Ways of old simply doesn't work now as many people are far more cautious than they used to be 2 years ago.
Some old friends can't adapt to new reality and leave, but for one that left there is 3 ready to take his place.

For me being a Pirate is making moneys from other people's work with as low risk as possible. Ransoms always should be honored but dont expect much more.
Fair fights?
If you excpect a fair fight from a Pirate you are fool or new around lowsec or both.
We roam in lowsec void purely to take your loot, life and corpse often raping your in the a*s with a hammer.

PvPers in other hands do fixed fights 1vs1 and similar things. Some even fight fair (without 3 fleet booster T3s sitting on safe spot ).

Piracy is simply too profitable profession to be left behind. My 21 Bills ISK cant be wrong.Pirate



All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#77 - 2013-01-06 23:48:55 UTC
What is "piracy" in EVE, anyway?

"Piracy" is usually defined as theft and illegal violence done at sea. Since "spaceships" are somewhat analogues, "piracy" in EVE, strictly speaking, is any theft or illegal violence done at sea. Is stealing from your corp "piracy"? No, it's perfectly legal. Is AWOXing "piracy"? No, it's also legal.

"Piracy" would then be any illegal violence (such as suicide ganking), whether in HiSec or LowSec, where the perpetrator may or may not profit. There can be no "piracy" in NullSec and W-Space because there is no law there. Piracy requires law to juxtapose against.

Is piracy in EVE dead? Far from it. In FW space, there are more neutrals now than ever, shooting at Militia. More people are venturing into LowSec than ever before, providing targets for would be pirates.

Piracy is more than a security status. It's a mindset and way of life in EVE. And it is by no means dead.

(Also LOL@"FW Infesting LowSec" - FW has been the single biggest boon to HiSec in the entire history of EVE. I'd like to see them remove FW so all the LowBears can cry about lack of targets again.)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-01-07 11:52:44 UTC
I consider my self a pirate i lo down loeec scumbag that would ransome your grand mother for her false teeth depends on mood

we are pirates but we also like/want fights

and yes we honor randsoms it corp policy i cant rember one of our guys not honoring randsoms if offerd
if we fck up and kill you afta youve paid the fck wit who shot you sends isk back out theyer pocket

We only randsom pods unless realy juicy ship we lve zee lootz from zee wreckz

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it