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The Killright system stinks and here's why.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-12-12 22:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Vincent Athena wrote:
Renier Gaden wrote:
Activate the kill right while you are locking them and before you point them.

Passive targeters with an alpha strike fleet anyone? You got a good chance of catching people who are trying to scam killrights that way. Its almost like setting up a gank fleet: Kill the target fast before the opportunity goes away. Except you will not be losing a ship to CONCORD.


Yeah because you know if im scamming killrights and baiting in space im not going to notice that alpha strike fleet sitting near me. Parrot more null talk you've heard.

Would you like to join my corporation?
Officer Szun
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-12-13 09:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Officer Szun
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
No one bothered to fraps it. I did see the KM, so I believe it did happen. The 4 ships that killed the freighter could not have done it if it was a suicide gank (insufficient dps to drop a freighter at Jita before CONCORD calls), so the freighter must have been a valid target.

One oddity: The freighter dropped a battleship, tritanium and pyerite. Before it could be recovered a Jita vulture salvaged the wreck. The cans that were left were yellow, and could not be recovered without the freighter doing the recovery becoming a suspect. Is this the intent? I thought what was dropped by a suspect was free for all. Note that the wreck was not yellow, it was the can left after the salvage that was yellow.
Edit: There is no way to hide the fact that I have a purchasable killright on me from me. It shows on the overview, as it must so other players can know about it giving them the opportunity to activate it. If I have any doubt, all I need to is ask a friend if I show up on the overview as having a purchasable killright.

So Caliph, how do you propose this information be hidden from the target so there is absolutely no way for him to know about it?


Make the transfer of killrights completely discrete between two parties. The victim and their hired Retribution. No warnings to the original aggressor, no notifications. Nothing. The killright expires on the date it would normally expire, basically as normal but the killmail is transfered from one persons record to the hired gun/corp. The original aggressor maintains the same level of knowledge they had before which is that they've killed an innocent and could face retaliation. They'd just lack the knowledge of how or when that will come. They would have the original date of course to know when they are in the clear.

As such the original aggressor could more safely fly knowing the entire EVE universe can't activate their public killright on a whim. Which would result in increased likelyhood of the aggressor flying something worth killing while at the same time giving more ability for the bounty hunters to carefully plan and execute the Retribution.

Maybe make killrights like corporate shares, a physical object in which only one can exist per incident. It can be sold to the individual or the corporation alliance and is good until its expired or redeemed.

Agreed. This is the way it should work...and hopefully ccp will change things to make it so. However, the way it currently works will still affect the hi-sec types and null sec types that don't use an alt to transport their ill gotten gains to jita. I foresee a lot of transport deaths in and around jita. Carebear revenge is twice as sweet for being delayed for so long.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-12-13 11:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Edit: Snipped discussion of moderation.

If you want to discuss moderation then raise a petition using the Other Issues -> Community or Forum category.

ISD Suvetar



I win. You resorted to Dev hacks. I don't care enough to go through arbitrary processes designed to dissuade any real opposition to the volunteer gestapos tyranny. I can discuss forum moderation in the middle of Jita local all day and have much greater effect if bringing you the business was my goal. On an alt account no less if you extended the rule there. On trial accounts if you banned its discussion outright in game.

/1v1 in game if you really wanna handle business.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#64 - 2012-12-13 12:21:11 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
People for Years have whined for sell-able kill rights.

Now they have it.


It's just sad it was introduced combined with Failwatch.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-12-13 12:23:37 UTC
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