EVE General Discussion

Actually I must disagree at least some other candidate have had the balls to tell CCP off over the years.

The last thing the CSM needs is the leader of The Hi-sec Cowards Association within its membership.

And that is precisely what high sec players are saying about null.
We high sec players have to work much much harder for the same rewards lavished on null sec, even if you factor in this new term of 2012 "risk/rewards", created by null sec propagandists to work with the other popular term "rebalance high sec".

Modern politics works the same way.
If a lie is repeated long enough, and widespread enough, then the more gullible actually start to believe it.
Fox News operates this way.

And once the lie is believed, then anything can be justified as a solution to that lie.

I may hate people like goons and their acolytes with every fibre of my being, but that does not mean I don't respect my enemy.
Your ability to grasp use deception as a tool is unparalleled in this game.

Your group organises propaganda to an art form.

And you will ultimately dominate not just null sec, but finally, all of high sec as well, once you have completely destroyed any potential of making a living in high sec.

^hahahahahahah

Vaerah, I gave the example from Jester's blog today of the idiot who lost a Titan, got tossed from his corp for being an idiot, then promptly lost 2 supercarries in a tantrum trying to nail a carrier of his ex-corp.

The pilot just lost over 100 billion in afternoon, and he was clearly not a particularly bright pilot, and his corp was in a smaller null sec corp. Yet he had 100 billion to throw away.

That example, of course, was completely ignored by the propagandist because facts like that don't jive with the message.
It is always about the message, not facts.

That outcome depends on how many gullible idiots work at CCP.


If I was a CCP stakeholder (it'd be cool to know what's the minimum shares to hold to become heard) I'd impose that null seccers REALLY engage in pre-2010 furious 0.0 continuous warfare and destruction, THEN I'd reward them for risk.

EvE news should return to be the old, continuous epic battle reports that made to the media.

The current news? Somer blink, buy 28 PLEX... YAWN.

I don't have a problem if CCP puts L5 agents in Highsec,, I'm probably in the minority here.

You act like I don't have several years of experience playing explicity in high sec, as compared to only about a year of playing in null. I started EVE in '05.

Go try that crap with someone who hasn't actually experienced the wider game.

You need to read the forums more, as I have stated many times I will be starting a campaign using multiple different characters over a month period before the elections to try to get more people to VOTE. Plus hopefully CCP Xhagen will be doing his part outside the game to promote the elections a lot more thoroughly this year.

I have high hopes he will and that meaning full changes will be made to the White Paper

And What is the CSM will actually be updated to show the new changes especially as that page has not been updated in years.

And actually I think the fact I got someone elected last year via these forums using tinfoil, really shows the power of these forums.

It is not that I claim these people have no representation, the pure fact is we don't know what they want out of the game, as the same one who don't vote are the same people who rarely speak on(if they ever even look at) these forums and they are the same people that don't answer the questionnaires in their email.

So yes between the forums, ingame and CCP Xhagen, we will hopefully have more people vote next year. So long as this CSMs behavior hasn't gotten too many people fed up but more about that come election time.

1) It's more annoying (utter lack of facilities) than "costs more". Ofc you are also probably being overtaxed every breath you take, because swimming in Technetium was not considered enough of an income so gotta whip those poor bees.

In my alliance we did just fine (I was logistics and research officer).

2) Low end ores cost exactly like ice which costs exactly like Morphite: zero.

Players attribute value to items with no intrinsic value and that value is due to demand vs supply and to risk vs reward.

High ends stopped earning a killing once you made 0.0 an hi sec copy, started digging tons of it (supply vs reward) with a risk that the markets price as "low enough".

3) Null missions, since I had -10 standings with rats I grinded an alt for those L4s in Stain, she'd take the mission and I'd kill the rats. Now, I don't know why you call it "stones away" considering a stupid *low sec* (yes I have done L4 everywhere) yields > 13k LP vs 7-8k-ish hi sec LP and a null sec mission also yields pirate BPCs.

The "bunch" of guys trying to blow you up is another legend, both in low sec and null sec. In low sec it's sufficient to not be an idiot and then you can even "flirt" with the known ganker passing by. In null sec I don't recall a single time I was not with other 7-8-10 other guys in the same system all happily missioning. Each of them had hawk eyes, the instant a neut showed in local (yes we did not even have the gate guarded, figure out the danger!) they screamed like sissies.
The neut in local happened about 4 times a day, plenty enough to not affect ISK/hour too much.

Of course that means there's more :effort: and :risk: but it's not something to smash the head against the wall about and I felt more in danger in local-less WH than in 0.0 by a good margin.

Try finding a single DR corp mate of mine (including me) coming complaining on the forums because of OH GOSH bad life in low/nullsec when we lived there.

This constant complaining really started with GS, even TESTs are way much more relaxed.

One thing I wanted to mention is that it really doesnt matter if you think the CSM is representative of the playerbase or not.

They are the ones CCP has decided to go to when they want an opinion that comes from the players, they are the ones that get first comment on new stuff and they are the ones that get to influence CCP more than anyone else. Honestly if you want more highsec ideas to get through and you dont feel that the guys already there (Khelduum Revan & Issler Dainze for anyone whose been under a rock this whole time) are doing a decent job then you need to start getting your own candidate ready, preferably someone who has sensible ideas and can motivate people to support them.

Another thing is that although you guys are correct in that it will be more difficult to motivate highseccers on a large scale that really doesnt matter too much. You arent going for the chairmanship after all, just to get someone on the council, which takes a lot less in terms of required support.

Anyway im in danger of rambling so ill leave it there.