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CCP, you are taking away the meaning of the (Wanted) sign!

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Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#181 - 2012-12-12 03:30:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Abditus Cularius wrote:
I want the ability to bounty the NPC empires. Only by mailspamming the thousands of people in all the newb and FW corps over and over and over for 50m a pop can we demonstrate how functionally annoying these mails are to get.


You don't treasure those bounty notifications? Shocked


Well I guess when you only get a few they feel more important. Cry


They will be treasured when they mean something. Right now they just mean some noob seen you in local, and put 100k on you.

SoulCreative
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#182 - 2012-12-12 03:43:23 UTC
wait, bounties are used as something other than a second bank?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2012-12-12 08:42:47 UTC
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roigon
TURN LEFT
#184 - 2012-12-12 08:59:39 UTC
I had a wanted sign on me, but then someone killed me and it was gone :(

I like the wanted system, heck it's actually useful now. One person I know was already thinking of becoming an actual bounty hunter. Something which really wasn't feasible before, but could now potentially work.

In the first week after the expansion it's only natural that everyone is putting bounties left and right on everything that moves. That will calm down soon enough, and over time everything will settle in a healthy balance. Maybe not the balance everyone wants or would like, but there will be reasons for the large majority of it.

I also can't wait for the mentioned (in some dev blog somewhere) future possibility to put bounties on structures. Being able to put a bounty on a POS or POCO and let the "free market" take care of it would be a wonderful addition.
Hekatus
#185 - 2012-12-12 10:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Hekatus
So the problem simply is that many people dont like the wanted-sign on their picture because they dont feel like criminals.

They are right that a wanted-sign implies a criminal usually, which is not the case anymore with the bounty system,
because everyone can have a bounty on everyone without any reason.

BUT, if the sign has no meaning, why is it there at all ?

A SIGN is there to have a meaning. If it hasnt, it shouldnt be there !

So i think the best solution would to remove it completely.
There are other places where you can check if the person has a bounty.
Also configurable ones like the overview settings.
Pierced Brosmen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2012-12-12 11:06:22 UTC
I'm at work so I haven't read more then a handfull of posts here, and the replies from Soundwave, but here's my thought.

Before, the "Wanted" sign meant something. It meant that someone had been a bad boy/girl...

Now the wanted sign is just outright pointless, cause everyone and their dog has a wanted sign if they have logged in since patch day (especially if they have visited Jita), with their 100k isk bounties that indicate that they have to be really really dangerous and bad people...

I'd propose that the "Wanted" tag wouldn't appear until the bounty ammount was significant, otherwise you could just get rid of it alltogether (or hardcode it into all character portraits), cause the way it is now it doesn't mean anything anymore and is just distorting the portrait...

[BTW, I don't mind the wanted tag on my character, cause the bounty ammount on alliance is significant]
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#187 - 2012-12-12 12:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
Hekatus wrote:
So the problem simply is that many people dont like the wanted-sign on their picture because they dont feel like criminals.

They are right that a wanted-sign implies a criminal usually, which is not the case anymore with the bounty system,
because everyone can have a bounty on everyone without any reason.

BUT, if the sign has no meaning, why is it there at all ?

A SIGN is there to have a meaning. If it hasnt, it shouldnt be there !

So i think the best solution would to remove it completely.
There are other places where you can check if the person has a bounty.
Also configurable ones like the overview settings.



this sums up my feelings pretty well.
i'm all for the new system of being able to place a bounty on anyone, however, the sign now means "this pilot flew past a troll"

i'm pretty sure that's NOT the intended meaning

i do like the idea of getting npcs to attack players.. in the beta i saw npc pirate ambuses in some wierd places, like outside stations, and i really miss that

edit: oops
edit2: damnit, that last edit was nonsence, wake up -> forums -> coffie is an order of event that results in stupid posts
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#188 - 2012-12-12 12:35:42 UTC
Bounties sign never ment someone had been a bad boy or girl just that they wanted people to think that and put a bounty on themselfs as outside of null or w-space they are almost impossible to lose and you could get your isk back whenever you needed

It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#189 - 2012-12-12 15:51:42 UTC
Eraza wrote:
Hekatus wrote:
So the problem simply is that many people dont like the wanted-sign on their picture because they dont feel like criminals.

They are right that a wanted-sign implies a criminal usually, which is not the case anymore with the bounty system,
because everyone can have a bounty on everyone without any reason.

BUT, if the sign has no meaning, why is it there at all ?

A SIGN is there to have a meaning. If it hasnt, it shouldnt be there !

So i think the best solution would to remove it completely.
There are other places where you can check if the person has a bounty.
Also configurable ones like the overview settings.



this sums up my feelings pretty well.
i'm all for the new system of being able to place a bounty on anyone, however, the sign now means "this pilot flew past a troll"

i'm pretty sure that's NOT the intended meaning

i do like the idea of getting npcs to attack players.. in the beta i saw npc pirate ambuses in some wierd places, like outside stations, and i really miss that

edit: oops
edit2: damnit, that last edit was nonsence, wake up -> forums -> coffie is an order of event that results in stupid posts


But leave the wanted sign for those high profile enough to deserve it. lol

SoulCreative
Wu Spacey
Spacey Assignments
#190 - 2012-12-12 22:55:35 UTC
Totally agree with the OP. By all means see how the new bounty system plays out, give it time. Having said that, having "Wanted" plastered all over quite obvious Empire players such as the one I am using to post, just because I undocked in Amarr in an Orca is silly. Having "Wanted" as a banner on a portrait is something that should be earned. Some players are trying to be bad just as hard as I try to be good, with this char. The "wanted" banner looks so cool on a bad character, but it is wasted on a character such as this.

I'm not sure what to suggest, but perhaps the "Wanted" banner only shows if you have a billion or more in bounty? /shrugs
Phil Da Agony
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#191 - 2012-12-13 00:19:06 UTC
Wu Spacey wrote:
Totally agree with the OP. By all means see how the new bounty system plays out, give it time. Having said that, having "Wanted" plastered all over quite obvious Empire players such as the one I am using to post, just because I undocked in Amarr in an Orca is silly. Having "Wanted" as a banner on a portrait is something that should be earned. Some players are trying to be bad just as hard as I try to be good, with this char. The "wanted" banner looks so cool on a bad character, but it is wasted on a character such as this.

I'm not sure what to suggest, but perhaps the "Wanted" banner only shows if you have a billion or more in bounty? /shrugs



Why not TOP10 Bounties? REAL meaning we talking bout...
flummox
#192 - 2012-12-13 00:26:03 UTC
Currently, the only thing you can do to a NPC Corporation game-ruiner [read that as 'player'] is put a bounty on them or bump them. Yippee. CCP just doubled the things we can do in one content update!! Huzzah!!

I giggle gleefully when I put a bounty on those game-ruiners. Hate NPC Corporation players. They are ruining our game.

flummox
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#193 - 2012-12-13 01:12:57 UTC
I think that it says good things about the bounty system that so many people have so many varied opinions about it. It seems that the mechanic is doing its job with respect to giving satisfaction to those that are putting up bounties and frustration to those that receive them. This makes the mechanic very well balanced in my opinion.

Also, I would like to thank the OP for finally putting a bounty on me. I'm flattered that I have made you frustrated enough to spend 100,000,000 isk to bounty me. I will cherish it until it all gets collected.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
YuuKnow
The Scope
#194 - 2012-12-13 02:06:46 UTC
I say keep the bounties, but remove the big "Wanted" sign.

Leave the wanted sign for those with less than -5 sec status to indicate that they are outlaws. Outlaws like that sort of thing.

yk
Octoven
Stellar Production
#195 - 2012-12-13 07:58:44 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists.


Lilly Becky
Miner in a Venture


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So stupid


How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.


There is balance between what is guilty and innocent , CCP has disrupted this balance. You can not justify saying the player chooses who is guilty. Being the exuberant players that we are, we dont place bounties on someone because they are innocent or guilty, we do it because we CAN and because its funny. I can't tell you how many people have placed bounties on me because they think its hilarious.

At this stage, you have destroyed the intent of even having a bounty system in the first place. Yes, it is nice to place a bounty on anyone at any time we feel it needed; however, the human level of corruption makes this sound good on paper and bad in reality.

Industrial players with + security status have bounties, players with - security status has bounties, pretty soon every player, corp, and alliance will be wanted. There is no innocence when everyone is wanted and without that level of innocence present, the stigma of being wanted as something to be feared no longer applies.

Possible solution: allow players to place bounties on anyone they have a kill right on, limited engagement with, or any other flag related to criminal activity. This would allow bounties to be applied to anyone who breaks the law and also maintain a level of freedom apart from security status.
Kathtrine
My Dot Corp
#196 - 2012-12-13 08:41:52 UTC
I was wondering.... could we just make the sign a bit less covering of the picture?

its a bit gaudy and big.

Personally I prefer the old sign.


Other then that the system works great to a point. It will require somebody to actually go after the people I place bounties on.

Only a few annoying things, Alt Trolls that are to chicken to put a bounty on someone with their main. (Coward would be the real word) This cant be fixed though.

Maybe make it so Trial accounts cant put bounties on people?

Thanks CCP for a great sandbox that I can kick sand around everywhere and see who I **** off.

[b]If your griefing about EvE online and still paying for it, your hooked and CCP has done thier job.

Now go blow somebodies ship up and stop whining about whatever your are lacking.[/b]
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#197 - 2012-12-13 08:49:57 UTC
I think I might just go to Jita sometime and start at the top of local, put a 100k bounty on the first person and work my way down. This will show just how broken this system is.

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Liam Li
Kings.Guard.
#198 - 2012-12-13 08:54:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Li
To counter this discussion, none my alts has had a bounty placed on them, and I've had them in null-sec, lowsec, traveled through jita, amarr, rens, etc since Retribution released, and the ships they were flying are transport/hauling/pvp ships. If it's THAT big of a deal, just pod yourself with an alt or have a corp member do it and that 100k isk bounty disappears!

"Did I do That"....Nice Corpse
VLAD DRACU
State War Academy
Caldari State
#199 - 2012-12-13 09:33:39 UTC
Bounties working perfectly!

In fact i invite everybody to put a bounty on every miner he can find. Yesterday we ganked multiple hulks and mackinaws with bounties in highsec and the bounty payment was more then enough to buy new gank catalysts.

Awesome, best pirate expansion ever!! Thank you CCP.
Pretty GuyYeah
#200 - 2012-12-13 09:41:32 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
I say keep the bounties, but remove the big "Wanted" sign.

Leave the wanted sign for those with less than -5 sec status to indicate that they are outlaws. Outlaws like that sort of thing.

yk


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