Missions & Complexes

Smartbombs in Hisec?
One brave person, I would never dare to. Until they fix the silly way Concorde reacts to blowing stuff up in a rat hive.

The risk isn't hitting structures, it's some ass warping in and ruining your day.

frigs are dead within the first 30-45 seconds, not a huge window for a person to scan down and warp into my mission AND get into range during that 30-45 second window.

the small risk is worth it to me :D if i have to, ill just buy another 5-6 plex to rebuy my ship if it gets popped. Tis just a game :D

if i needed to i could replace it the old fashioned way, and grind the isk, but atm i have no need to be frugal.

Nice cut of what was said. You realise that was referring to WC right? Where the NPCs are now warping in late instead of being there on arrival right? That's why I said I can't comment on that one mission because it's been acting bizarre for me.



Not had Cartel/Sansha come up yet, but I've run the Wildfire arc post patch, and that didn't present any problems, and there's plenty of Gistii frigates in that.

Biggest mission I've seen anyone complain about is Serpentis Assault, which is the only mission that's been troubling because of **** tons of sensor dampening and the instant swarm of frigates/destroyers.



Good for you, I've had to warp out of one mission because of the inability to target, it was faster to warp out/warp in than burn towards targets to get a 5km lock range with a 40 second lock timer. Could just volley the targets.

Irony that you criticise my reading comprehension when I have to point out the first quote response.


In short, this "YOU NEED stupidnumber K DPS TANK" and "ALL MY FRIGATES ARE INSTAPOPPED" bullshit is my objection. People are taking an issue and making it a laughing stock with their QQ.

It really has been the biggest bastard mission post patch, more people I know have had to call in for help or abandon that mission than any other.

The way to fly it requires a lot of manual piloting, and crap tons of micro management. If you're the kind of people who finds mm gaming fun, it's a brilliant little room. But for everyone else I can see why it's a pain in the arse.

And do you realize I was referring to worlds collide? WC where all npcs now aggro you despite not aggressing or approaching them? WC where there is bunch of scram frigs right on warpin and bunch of battleships in their optimal?
As I thought - you HAVENT run angel/sansha worlds collide and you are basing all your assumptions on experience from serpentis assault that YOU think is hardest and thats why all other missions must be easy.

And here we go again "I've run the Wildfire arc post patch, and that didn't present any problems, and there's plenty of Gistii frigates in that..."
I guess that means any mission with gistii frigs is easy, because you ran some mission with same rats and it was easy. Right... Do you even realize "gistii" just means it belongs to angel faction and there are many types of them ranging from 8k bounty up to 30k bounty?

In short, you think your experiencese with specific missions and specific ships must apply to every other mission and every single player, "because you experienced it and thats why it must be true for everything and everyone."

Actually your words were.

"If you havernt had a realistic test, then you shouldnt spam bullshit about these missions here."

THESE MISSIONS, and considering in most cases I've had experiences, and looking at the feedback I've had experiences other people have been having, and having done WC before now when it worked properly and stupidly hitting the trigger frigate for full room aggro pre patch, the bullshit I've heard about people going "OMG NEED 9K TANK FOR THIS" is crap.



Yeah, have you run the epic arc? You should, it's good isk, mainly because they roll out the Arch elite frigates and cruisers and the expensive higher end 1.5-1.8 mil battleships. Now if I can kill those comfortably, I don't see why any other Cartel frigate post patch would be a problem.




Or perhaps I'm doing something you're not, perhaps rather than having people come on here with absurd claims of all their Drones getting instant total helldeath and requiring capital sized tank numbers to survive a mission, people should quit spamming their doomsday bullshit and discuss how to actually do these missions.

Yes they're harder, yes that full room aggro bug is a pain in the arse. But don't try to poke holes going "Well that's just your experience" because if I can do it, there's no reason someone who's been around as long or longer like yourself shouldn't be able.


Now as I've said, for new players it sucks, and the best option may well be to decline certain flagged missions, or go in a group. But I'm personally of the opinion that if you can't fit and skill a battleship properly, you really shouldn't be flying it in the first place, which means newer players need a source of income that isn't "Get your ass into a battleship asap and run L4's" Which is a whole other discussion entirely.

No amount of isk compensates for all the flaws a low sp player has though, sure you might fix the tank, but your tracking sucks still, and your targeting is shite.


Try to fix everything you'll cap out in seconds.