EVE General Discussion

Ok, paint us the picture then, what would Highsec be like if everyone "moved to null to fight players who can fight back"? Are you really willing to advocate for a safe highsec?

Let's see.... internet pixels v. real world animal cruelty...


Yep. Seems legit.

Mission running injects new isk in to the game, which makes everyone's isk worth less overall.

I was not commenting on the inflationary pressures caused by mission running, nor was i commenting on the fact that if it was any more boring mission runners would need access to suicide watch (This may have improved now due to the new AI but I am unable to see anyone commenting about it being more fun over the drones are worthless threads and I have no want to find out personally as if they are not greatly improved I may still need to find a bus to jump under shortly after completing the mission.

Well, who's gonna kill the carebears?

Bounty Hunters people who will go after a bounty whether the persons ship is a close call or not.

Not some little cowards afraid of their own shadow.

I don't think the bully argument works here the way it does in real life. In real life, people are different. Some are predisposed to physical strength and aggression, and some are predisposed to opposite traits. In EVE, everyone starts off on the same footing. Players' experiences are dependent entirely on the choices they make, and not on limitations resulting from differing physical and emotional traits. Anyone can be a pirate, a miner, a soldier, a role-player; anyone can be anything. Being "defenseless" isn't actually a thing is this game.

All EVE PvP does is mirror society, for good and ill.

I'm a 'carebear', and I recognize several things.

1) Just like real life, I can die in supposedly safe zones by the actions of random people with various reasons. Some will want my money, some will want my items, some are sociopaths, some are what the religious would call 'evil'. Motivation does not matter as far as 'violence' against my character is concerned.

2) I know and have the ability to use weapons to defend myself, but like the vast majority of society, I don't use them on others routinely and have no illusions about my ability to do so successfully going up against someone (say, a soldier) with training and superior weapons on ground of their choosing. John Rambo I am not. Yes, everyone starts on the 'same footing', but at the same time I'm an older person with bad vision and worse reflexes, which shows up even in virtual combat.

3) It is difficult to claim that PvP is a main engine of EVE when the majority of people are neither discussing PvP nor engaging in PvP - instead, they are mostly in highsec doing nonviolent things with rocks or violent things against the computer. If this were untrue, most 'carebears' wouldn't make it from dock to jump in the starting zones.

4) Unlike RL, I can do many dangerous things as a 'carebear' and still reap rewards, if I'm willing to risk it. Somedays you find a wormhole, and an unguarded ore field or radar site, and you walk away with nice goods. Some days you start over after getting podded.

5) While motivation doesn't bother me as far as getting killed, I have to wonder at how proudly they display their ability to destroy Catalysts loaded with t1 gear for exploration or miners when they fly much superior ships outfitted for combat. It DOES smack of 'bullying', simply because they are engaging with minimal risk to themselves. My ship is named Zero Liability for a reason.

I didn't argue about taking on personalities, I argued about starting on even ground, and as such, always having the same means to defend yourself that all other players have. A nerdy kid can get beat up in school because he doesn't have the body mass of a bumbling football jock, but in EVE, everyone can equip the same guns, the same armor plates, and the same tackling modules. Being defenseless in EVE is a choice.

Do you mind explaining why you feel carebears with bounties deserve to die while those without a bounty don't? Also, why should carebears without bounties be effectively safe?