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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#161 - 2012-12-09 23:20:15 UTC
I'm making a cure-all from this thread and it's made of tears. Its rumored to cure all kinds of things such as ebola, aids, hiv, herpies, depression, bad looks, your height, baldness, ect. going for 500 mill a pop.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-12-10 00:03:20 UTC
Ragnaarak wrote:
So, going by all the replies thus far......merely existing in the game is an excuse for any pvp'er to put a bounty on you and that if they do u just have to live looking over your shoulder?
And when natur runs its course and everyone in EVE has a bounty on them ...what then? will CCP add another cool feature like....hmmm lets see transferable kill rights? or maybe get rid of the hi sec status of all the inner core worlds.....wouldnt all you pvp'er love that?


I'm going to log in & place a bounty on your head for being a bad poster.

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loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#163 - 2012-12-10 05:59:37 UTC
Whats his bounty up to now?????

ragnaraak
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#164 - 2012-12-10 07:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
It should be obvious now to everyone that various nullsec CSM reps arranged for this new bounty system for the expressed purpose of allowing their superior, sov-generated income fountains to be used to eliminate their hisec mining competition. Rather than do the ganking directly themselves, they can simply throw money at it and let others do it for them.

Naturally they suffer no fear of reprisal, because they are placing their bounties through temporary alt characters, and regardless there is no way the disorganized mass of independent hisec miners can match them ISK for ISK should they choose to get into a bidding war with the nullsec alliances behind the movement.

In the end, this change is no different than any other: Another thinly veiled push by nullsec CSMs to drive more players out of hisec and into nullsec, where they can either bend their knees to their new overlords (it's all about the e-peen, after all) or be instantly reduced to cheap blob-feed. While this has always been the case with their agendas, this one in particular gives them the power to extend their projection of force into hisec areas that were previously beyond their grasp.

I would say that they obviously don't realize is that neither their desired results - more servants or more targets - are actually going to happen and in the end all that they are actually going to accomplish is for CCP to start losing subscribers. I would say this except that, in all likelihood, they do realize it and simply don't care. Such is the weight of their egos that they'd they rather have no game at all than bear the agonizing horror of a game where others are allowed to play how they want to.

So yes, the bounty system is indeed working as intended. The problem is that what was intended wasn't made obvious until it was too late. It was marketed as a way for those without good PvP skills to deal with all the bullies of EvE, but in reality it turned out to be nothing more than another tool for the bullies.

The sound of the Amarrian heart
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#165 - 2012-12-10 07:16:16 UTC
It's over 1 bil, and I'm adding to it!

Perhaps this was a giant troll and it was his plan all along?

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#166 - 2012-12-10 07:32:35 UTC
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounty system is going out of control.

Woke up this morning to find that some person with a hatre for miners, and lets not forget "no miners no ships", decided to put bounty on all miners and their corps in the system we use.

Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason other than "Oh what the F**K, ive made a **** ton of ISK so why not use this new Griefing technique handed to me by the game makers".

Yes i know a bounty doesnt mean u can be attacked without concord intervention in hi sec but its yet another annoyance from those that only see EVE as another 1st person shooter.

Cheers for making the game a little less appealing to a person that likes the industrial side of the game.


Feh, I mine and do industrial stuff, and I don't find it to be making the game less appealing at all. Hell, put out bounties on your competitors! Someone mining your favorite pile of rocks? Put a price on his head! Someone undercut your market price or short you? Bounty on his head too.

Then again, my idea of a hostile takeover would be sending a team of Dusters in to hose down the enemy corporate boardroom in plasma fire and bullets.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-12-10 07:46:20 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
It should be obvious now to everyone that various nullsec CSM reps arranged for this new bounty system for the expressed purpose of allowing their superior, sov-generated income fountains to be used to eliminate their hisec mining competition. Rather than do the ganking directly themselves, they can simply throw money at it and let others do it for them.

Naturally they suffer no fear of reprisal, because they are placing their bounties through temporary alt characters, and regardless there is no way the disorganized mass of independent hisec miners can match them ISK for ISK should they choose to get into a bidding war with the nullsec alliances behind the movement.

In the end, this change is no different than any other: Another thinly veiled push by nullsec CSMs to drive more players out of hisec and into nullsec, where they can either bend their knees to their new overlords (it's all about the e-peen, after all) or be instantly reduced to cheap blob-feed. While this has always been the case with their agendas, this one in particular gives them the power to extend their projection of force into hisec areas that were previously beyond their grasp.

I would say that they obviously don't realize is that neither their desired results - more servants or more targets - are actually going to happen and in the end all that they are actually going to accomplish is for CCP to start losing subscribers. I would say this except that, in all likelihood, they do realize it and simply don't care. Such is the weight of their egos that they'd they rather have no game at all than bear the agonizing horror of a game where others are allowed to play how they want to.

So yes, the bounty system is indeed working as intended. The problem is that what was intended wasn't made obvious until it was too late. It was marketed as a way for those without good PvP skills to deal with all the bullies of EvE, but in reality it turned out to be nothing more than another tool for the bullies.


People have been asking for bounty changes for years, this has very little to do with the CSM. People are just mad because they saw this new system as a way to get back at the big bad gankers, then got a shock when they realised we had already adapted for the changes weeks ago.

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Angang Ostus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2012-12-10 07:49:10 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounty system is going out of control.

Woke up this morning to find that some person with a hatre for miners, and lets not forget "no miners no ships", decided to put bounty on all miners and their corps in the system we use.

Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason

I stopped there...

Nope. Working as intended. This kind of change is NOT needed. You just want to be able to mine in perfect security and it isn't going to happen. If you don't like them putting bounties on you then you can turn right around and put bounties on him. I guarantee that if all you miners did that to him then he would end up with a much bigger bounty on his head than any of you have on yours.

Also...since you clearly don't understand the mechanics...STILL...just because you have a bounty on your head doesn't mean anybody can just come kill you without CONCORD stepping in. They still need a kill right which can only be obtained if you do something illegal.

I also put a bounty on you for making this thread.


roflmao! But yeah it shouldn't inconvenience a high sec miner. Gankers will get concorded all the same. The bounty on each of you would have to be fairly big to motivate a suicide gank on a Retriever. And if it's high enough that you think it might happen, just get in a shuttle and have your mate pop you iin low sec (or maybe being fleeted will do it too.)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2012-12-10 07:51:46 UTC
Angang Ostus wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounty system is going out of control.

Woke up this morning to find that some person with a hatre for miners, and lets not forget "no miners no ships", decided to put bounty on all miners and their corps in the system we use.

Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason

I stopped there...

Nope. Working as intended. This kind of change is NOT needed. You just want to be able to mine in perfect security and it isn't going to happen. If you don't like them putting bounties on you then you can turn right around and put bounties on him. I guarantee that if all you miners did that to him then he would end up with a much bigger bounty on his head than any of you have on yours.

Also...since you clearly don't understand the mechanics...STILL...just because you have a bounty on your head doesn't mean anybody can just come kill you without CONCORD stepping in. They still need a kill right which can only be obtained if you do something illegal.

I also put a bounty on you for making this thread.


roflmao! But yeah it shouldn't inconvenience a high sec miner. Gankers will get concorded all the same. The bounty on each of you would have to be fairly big to motivate a suicide gank on a Retriever. And if it's high enough that you think it might happen, just get in a shuttle and have your mate pop you iin low sec (or maybe being fleeted will do it too.)


Shuttle = ~10,000 isk

Getting only ~2000 isk from a billion isk bouty = priceless

and also, pointless.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-12-10 08:01:29 UTC
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason other than "Oh what the F**K, ive made a **** ton of ISK so why not use this new Griefing technique handed to me by the game makers".


What is this talk about griefing?, putting bounties on poeple is how you show love in eve.

Putting a bounty on someone means nothing more then, "i have noticed you, and i think we should meet and get to know each other better", or it can be a secret admirer stalking you.

Now it's up to you to find this person and tell him what you think of his proposal.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-12-10 08:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
It should be obvious now to everyone that various nullsec CSM reps arranged for this new bounty system for the expressed purpose of allowing their superior, sov-generated income fountains to be used to eliminate their hisec mining competition. Rather than do the ganking directly themselves, they can simply throw money at it and let others do it for them.

Naturally they suffer no fear of reprisal, because they are placing their bounties through temporary alt characters, and regardless there is no way the disorganized mass of independent hisec miners can match them ISK for ISK should they choose to get into a bidding war with the nullsec alliances behind the movement.

In the end, this change is no different than any other: Another thinly veiled push by nullsec CSMs to drive more players out of hisec and into nullsec, where they can either bend their knees to their new overlords (it's all about the e-peen, after all) or be instantly reduced to cheap blob-feed. While this has always been the case with their agendas, this one in particular gives them the power to extend their projection of force into hisec areas that were previously beyond their grasp.

I would say that they obviously don't realize is that neither their desired results - more servants or more targets - are actually going to happen and in the end all that they are actually going to accomplish is for CCP to start losing subscribers. I would say this except that, in all likelihood, they do realize it and simply don't care. Such is the weight of their egos that they'd they rather have no game at all than bear the agonizing horror of a game where others are allowed to play how they want to.

So yes, the bounty system is indeed working as intended. The problem is that what was intended wasn't made obvious until it was too late. It was marketed as a way for those without good PvP skills to deal with all the bullies of EvE, but in reality it turned out to be nothing more than another tool for the bullies.



Given the options ill take an EVE universe with 10000 people in total playing, 8k of which could be the 'swarm, than the insinuated eternal tyranny of the "make it safer or we'll quit crew". If all the miners quit tomorrow and the price of ore skyrocketed i'd take my pvp skilled toon and start cross training mining to be one of the super tanked miners out there making a fortune. And I despise mining. But money talks. Most of the players that threaten to quit overstate their importance to the game.

EVE is designed to be a cold & harsh beast. Just because you make a miner toon doesn't entitle you to ever mine one single roid. It only entitles you to the right to attempt it. The bounty feature fits perfectly within EVEs universe and I for one welcome our new, mega billionaire, bounty overlords.

You could give out titans with yearly prepaid subscriptions and attract millions of players. We don't do it. So why on earth should we avoid putting in a system that increases the likelyhood of making something go boom because someone will quit? There's a sliding scale people need to realize exists.

Hardcore PVP<---------------------------{}----------->Hardcore PVE

The more you slide it one way or the other the more you gain and lose of respective types. What we lose from the right we gain from the left.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#172 - 2012-12-10 08:52:48 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
It should be obvious now to everyone that various nullsec CSM reps arranged for this new bounty system for the expressed purpose of allowing their superior, sov-generated income fountains to be used to eliminate their hisec mining competition. Rather than do the ganking directly themselves, they can simply throw money at it and let others do it for them.

Naturally they suffer no fear of reprisal, because they are placing their bounties through temporary alt characters, and regardless there is no way the disorganized mass of independent hisec miners can match them ISK for ISK should they choose to get into a bidding war with the nullsec alliances behind the movement.

In the end, this change is no different than any other: Another thinly veiled push by nullsec CSMs to drive more players out of hisec and into nullsec, where they can either bend their knees to their new overlords (it's all about the e-peen, after all) or be instantly reduced to cheap blob-feed. While this has always been the case with their agendas, this one in particular gives them the power to extend their projection of force into hisec areas that were previously beyond their grasp.

I would say that they obviously don't realize is that neither their desired results - more servants or more targets - are actually going to happen and in the end all that they are actually going to accomplish is for CCP to start losing subscribers. I would say this except that, in all likelihood, they do realize it and simply don't care. Such is the weight of their egos that they'd they rather have no game at all than bear the agonizing horror of a game where others are allowed to play how they want to.

So yes, the bounty system is indeed working as intended. The problem is that what was intended wasn't made obvious until it was too late. It was marketed as a way for those without good PvP skills to deal with all the bullies of EvE, but in reality it turned out to be nothing more than another tool for the bullies.


Ahahahahahhahahahaha what is the conspiracy theory.

I should keep a checklist of horrible strawman arguments or flat out nutjob conspiracy links that these posts tick.

Shadowy CSM Overlords: Check
Nullsec Agenda: Check
CCP losing subscribers: Check
My sandbox is the only right sandbox: Check
PvP Bullies: Check

This post is the Fox News of GD.
Frying Doom
#173 - 2012-12-10 09:20:09 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
It should be obvious now to everyone that various nullsec CSM reps arranged for this new bounty system for the expressed purpose of allowing their superior, sov-generated income fountains to be used to eliminate their hisec mining competition. Rather than do the ganking directly themselves, they can simply throw money at it and let others do it for them.

Naturally they suffer no fear of reprisal, because they are placing their bounties through temporary alt characters, and regardless there is no way the disorganized mass of independent hisec miners can match them ISK for ISK should they choose to get into a bidding war with the nullsec alliances behind the movement.

In the end, this change is no different than any other: Another thinly veiled push by nullsec CSMs to drive more players out of hisec and into nullsec, where they can either bend their knees to their new overlords (it's all about the e-peen, after all) or be instantly reduced to cheap blob-feed. While this has always been the case with their agendas, this one in particular gives them the power to extend their projection of force into hisec areas that were previously beyond their grasp.

I would say that they obviously don't realize is that neither their desired results - more servants or more targets - are actually going to happen and in the end all that they are actually going to accomplish is for CCP to start losing subscribers. I would say this except that, in all likelihood, they do realize it and simply don't care. Such is the weight of their egos that they'd they rather have no game at all than bear the agonizing horror of a game where others are allowed to play how they want to.

So yes, the bounty system is indeed working as intended. The problem is that what was intended wasn't made obvious until it was too late. It was marketed as a way for those without good PvP skills to deal with all the bullies of EvE, but in reality it turned out to be nothing more than another tool for the bullies.


Ahahahahahhahahahaha what is the conspiracy theory.

I should keep a checklist of horrible strawman arguments or flat out nutjob conspiracy links that these posts tick.

Shadowy CSM Overlords: Check
Nullsec Agenda: Check
CCP losing subscribers: Check
My sandbox is the only right sandbox: Check
PvP Bullies: Check

This post is the Fox News of GD.

I just dont know why the bounties on the Null sec corps are not higher.

It would make a good income stream for Null sec pilots as well as allowing people like Lady Katherine Devonshire to vent.

2 birds with one stone.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-12-10 09:25:46 UTC
Dudebro. It's cool. I'll solve all your problems for you. I'll get rid of the nasty griefer who's making your life terrible.

You'll need to put a bounty on him though. I don't work for free.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#175 - 2012-12-10 09:25:52 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
It's over 1 bil, and I'm adding to it!

Perhaps this was a giant troll and it was his plan all along?



Ya think?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#176 - 2012-12-10 09:30:14 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
It should be obvious now to everyone that various nullsec CSM reps arranged for this new bounty system for the expressed purpose of allowing their superior, sov-generated income fountains to be used to eliminate their hisec mining competition. Rather than do the ganking directly themselves, they can simply throw money at it and let others do it for them.

Naturally they suffer no fear of reprisal, because they are placing their bounties through temporary alt characters, and regardless there is no way the disorganized mass of independent hisec miners can match them ISK for ISK should they choose to get into a bidding war with the nullsec alliances behind the movement.

In the end, this change is no different than any other: Another thinly veiled push by nullsec CSMs to drive more players out of hisec and into nullsec, where they can either bend their knees to their new overlords (it's all about the e-peen, after all) or be instantly reduced to cheap blob-feed. While this has always been the case with their agendas, this one in particular gives them the power to extend their projection of force into hisec areas that were previously beyond their grasp.

I would say that they obviously don't realize is that neither their desired results - more servants or more targets - are actually going to happen and in the end all that they are actually going to accomplish is for CCP to start losing subscribers. I would say this except that, in all likelihood, they do realize it and simply don't care. Such is the weight of their egos that they'd they rather have no game at all than bear the agonizing horror of a game where others are allowed to play how they want to.

So yes, the bounty system is indeed working as intended. The problem is that what was intended wasn't made obvious until it was too late. It was marketed as a way for those without good PvP skills to deal with all the bullies of EvE, but in reality it turned out to be nothing more than another tool for the bullies.


Ahahahahahhahahahaha what is the conspiracy theory.

I should keep a checklist of horrible strawman arguments or flat out nutjob conspiracy links that these posts tick.

Shadowy CSM Overlords: Check
Nullsec Agenda: Check
CCP losing subscribers: Check
My sandbox is the only right sandbox: Check
PvP Bullies: Check

This post is the Fox News of GD.

I just dont know why the bounties on the Null sec corps are not higher.

It would make a good income stream for Null sec pilots as well as allowing people like Lady Katherine Devonshire to vent.

2 birds with one stone.


Because Lady Katherine Devonshire thinks that 1 mill is a pretty good bounty for shooting a player - after all it's a top bounty for a rat.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#177 - 2012-12-10 09:36:29 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Because Lady Katherine Devonshire thinks that 1 mill is a pretty good bounty for shooting a player - after all it's a top bounty for a rat.

Must be a perspective thing.

Mine is at 310 mill and to be honest I don't know if I would go out of my way for that pittance.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#178 - 2012-12-10 09:37:43 UTC
Calling it now: this week's bear talking point will be

"CCP should totally put a bounty on corps with NEG-sec players in THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES FOR PIRACY"

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#179 - 2012-12-10 09:38:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Because Lady Katherine Devonshire thinks that 1 mill is a pretty good bounty for shooting a player - after all it's a top bounty for a rat.

Must be a perspective thing.

Mine is at 310 mill and to be honest I don't know if I would go out of my way for that pittance.


I'm not even at 4 mill, I need to up my game Sad

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2012-12-10 09:52:02 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
It should be obvious now to everyone that various nullsec CSM reps arranged for this new bounty system for the expressed purpose of allowing their superior, sov-generated income fountains to be used to eliminate their hisec mining competition.


I admit, I laughed. They better spend all that ill-gained sov-generated isk before the end of the world next week though.