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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#141 - 2012-12-08 13:46:38 UTC
Jawas wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'm your target audience and I say 'no'.

Your loss. You can't complain if you are supporting it by continuing to sub.



This is too close to trolling to even be bothered with. Next.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Jenny Delincuente
Paranoid Habits Learned
#142 - 2012-12-08 14:31:20 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounty system is going out of control.

Woke up this morning to find that some person with a hatre for miners, and lets not forget "no miners no ships", decided to put bounty on all miners and their corps in the system we use.

Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason

I stopped there...

Nope. Working as intended. This kind of change is NOT needed. You just want to be able to mine in perfect security and it isn't going to happen. If you don't like them putting bounties on you then you can turn right around and put bounties on him. I guarantee that if all you miners did that to him then he would end up with a much bigger bounty on his head than any of you have on yours.

Also...since you clearly don't understand the mechanics...STILL...just because you have a bounty on your head doesn't mean anybody can just come kill you without CONCORD stepping in. They still need a kill right which can only be obtained if you do something illegal.

I also put a bounty on you for making this thread.

If you read the whole post he even says he knows concord won't step in and for the part about putting bounties on him, ever considered alts made for the purpose of putting random bounties on people?

To add to the whole post, I have a friend who after 10 minutes of making a new character had a bounty of 10M, and that character had no connection to his main.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-12-08 16:15:22 UTC
Jawas wrote:
I would say to all industrials who have spent time and money on this game to skill up to get the most out of mining and industry rather than PVP. Down tools (and subs). No more ships or equipment on the market, no more mining in highsec and when CCP feel the pinch of the loss of subs, it might make them see that PVPers only make up a small percentage of this game and their voice is not that of the majority.

What you see on the forums is not an indication of how many industrials are in game, those who mine and manufacture often have better things to do with their time. One only has to look at the population in highsec as opposed to lowsec and nullsec combined to see that industrials make up a big percentage of this games player base.

Pandering to the minority is not democracy. So, show them what real democracy means and tell all your industrial friends we are going on strike.


The people of EVE have spoken and they have said Death to these 'mining magnates.'

It will be the common capsuleer that the future of industry is based on, not those with their overly large and slighty too well choreographed exhumer fleets. Upon the scrapheap of the mining elite will be built a new foundation, one that values the time of the working man and rewards him justly.

Before us have fallen all the great, corrupted empires that have attempted to hold you in bondage, except one. This Empire plutocracy that holds you in contempt, that would just as soon drive you out of the market for daring to compete with them, its time has come. No more will the working folk of EVE be be left begging for the scraps of the table. There is a feast to be had by all and not just a few corpulent Lords who find it offensive that some nobody dares mine in the same belt as them.

No, the time for the people to fight back has come. The rising tide of discontent will wash away the filth of decadence that is so prevalent in Empire. They will give their ISK and their ships and they will be rewarded with their own Empire, and not just a playground for the 'industry elite.'

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#144 - 2012-12-08 16:17:06 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Jawas wrote:
I would say to all industrials who have spent time and money on this game to skill up to get the most out of mining and industry rather than PVP. Down tools (and subs). No more ships or equipment on the market, no more mining in highsec and when CCP feel the pinch of the loss of subs, it might make them see that PVPers only make up a small percentage of this game and their voice is not that of the majority.

What you see on the forums is not an indication of how many industrials are in game, those who mine and manufacture often have better things to do with their time. One only has to look at the population in highsec as opposed to lowsec and nullsec combined to see that industrials make up a big percentage of this games player base.

Pandering to the minority is not democracy. So, show them what real democracy means and tell all your industrial friends we are going on strike.


The people of EVE have spoken and they have said Death to these 'mining magnates.'

It will be the common capsuleer that the future of industry is based on, not those with their overly large and slighty too well choreographed exhumer fleets. Upon the scrapheap of the mining elite will be built a new foundation, one that values the time of the working man and rewards him justly.

Before us have fallen all the great, corrupted empires that have attempted to hold you in bondage, except one. This Empire plutocracy that holds you in contempt, that would just as soon drive you out of the market for daring to compete with them, its time has come. No more will the working folk of EVE be be left begging for the scraps of the table. There is a feast to be had by all and not just a few corpulent Lords who find it offensive that some nobody dares mine in the same belt as them.

No, the time for the people to fight back has come. The rising tide of discontent will wash away the filth of decadence that is so prevalent in Empire. They will give their ISK and their ships and they will be rewarded with their own Empire, and not just a playground for the 'industry elite.'


OMG. Yawn.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#145 - 2012-12-08 16:22:55 UTC
Really?

You realize that your bounty only matters if a suicide ganker came into your belt with the intentions of ganking a miner anyways, and he either had to choose between you or another guy, and you're stillt he one who isn't tanking his mining ship.

You're not tanking your ship are you?

You do understand that if you just tanked the ******* ship, and actually paid attention, no amount of bounty would make you worth shooting in high sec.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-12-08 16:38:09 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Really?

You realize that your bounty only matters if a suicide ganker came into your belt with the intentions of ganking a miner anyways, and he either had to choose between you or another guy, and you're stillt he one who isn't tanking his mining ship.

You're not tanking your ship are you?

You do understand that if you just tanked the ******* ship, and actually paid attention, no amount of bounty would make you worth shooting in high sec.


How dare the riff-raff of EVE even search for his character!

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Ryuji Takemiya
Doomheim
#147 - 2012-12-08 18:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryuji Takemiya
Ragnaarak wrote:
So, going by all the replies thus far......merely existing in the game is an excuse for any pvp'er to put a bounty on you and that if they do u just have to live looking over your shoulder?


Yes, live looking over your shoulder when you play EVE. If it took a bounty to get you playing that way, it just made you a better player.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#148 - 2012-12-08 18:52:33 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Really?

You realize that your bounty only matters if a suicide ganker came into your belt with the intentions of ganking a miner anyways, and he either had to choose between you or another guy, and you're stillt he one who isn't tanking his mining ship.

You're not tanking your ship are you?

You do understand that if you just tanked the ******* ship, and actually paid attention, no amount of bounty would make you worth shooting in high sec.

O ho ho~~~ another untanked person waiting to be ganked?

EVE Online: Always fun below "the belt"

Halp, being ganked in ~the belt~

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#149 - 2012-12-08 18:54:05 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Really?

You realize that your bounty only matters if a suicide ganker came into your belt with the intentions of ganking a miner anyways, and he either had to choose between you or another guy, and you're stillt he one who isn't tanking his mining ship.

You're not tanking your ship are you?

You do understand that if you just tanked the ******* ship, and actually paid attention, no amount of bounty would make you worth shooting in high sec.


How dare the riff-raff of EVE even search for his character!

Indeed.

I feel like I should be crying about my 3.5 billion isk bounty because of the corp I'm in. Oh noes, someone will shoot me in null sec...


It'll probably be a ******* goon too, I just know it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#150 - 2012-12-08 18:55:40 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Really?

You realize that your bounty only matters if a suicide ganker came into your belt with the intentions of ganking a miner anyways, and he either had to choose between you or another guy, and you're stillt he one who isn't tanking his mining ship.

You're not tanking your ship are you?

You do understand that if you just tanked the ******* ship, and actually paid attention, no amount of bounty would make you worth shooting in high sec.


How dare the riff-raff of EVE even search for his character!

Indeed.

I feel like I should be crying about my 3.5 billion isk bounty because of the corp I'm in. Oh noes, someone will shoot me in null sec...


It'll probably be a ******* goon too, I just know it.

Never not shoot blues.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kagumichan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2012-12-08 19:19:04 UTC
People are only doing these things with bounties because it's a 'new thing' (and because they think it's funny when people rage about it), eventually they'll get bored and/or realise they're wasting money that they'll never get back and everything will go back to normal. As long as nobody has kill rights on you, then you're as safe as you were before Retri, so don't worry if you got digits over your head, just keep calm and carry on.
Ivan Paul Freely
Small Balls and Flying Machines
#152 - 2012-12-08 19:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivan Paul Freely
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kurt Saken wrote:
Staying aligned always helps. Of course you can't mine aligned at 3/4 of your speed, but i can tell you that it helps. Go ahead and try it.



Move my ship while mining ? Is that what you are implying ? Or do you mean orbit the rock or something ? I thought staying aligned meant 'pointing at a gate or station'. Maybe we are talking about 2 different things.

Been playing 3 years and I'm not sure what is being suggested, yes really.



Hmmmm, that comment came across like you're almost proud of your own ignorance?

Krixtal Icefluxor = Winning. At something. Perhaps. Presumably.

Edit: Also, I disagree with you. The new bounty system is awesome.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#153 - 2012-12-08 20:26:45 UTC
Ivan Paul Freely wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kurt Saken wrote:
Staying aligned always helps. Of course you can't mine aligned at 3/4 of your speed, but i can tell you that it helps. Go ahead and try it.



Move my ship while mining ? Is that what you are implying ? Or do you mean orbit the rock or something ? I thought staying aligned meant 'pointing at a gate or station'. Maybe we are talking about 2 different things.

Been playing 3 years and I'm not sure what is being suggested, yes really.



Hmmmm, that comment came across like you're almost proud of your own ignorance?

Krixtal Icefluxor = Winning. At something. Perhaps. Presumably.

Edit: Also, I disagree with you. The new bounty system is awesome.



No. I just find the staying aligned thig stupid and useless. Who is the one ignorant about mining as that's obviously something you don't do. Why take advice from the ignorant ? That's what's smart, actually.

And you are obviously the ignorant one as you cannot even answer my original question...because you spew nothing but nonsense.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#154 - 2012-12-08 20:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ivan Paul Freely wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kurt Saken wrote:
Staying aligned always helps. Of course you can't mine aligned at 3/4 of your speed, but i can tell you that it helps. Go ahead and try it.



Move my ship while mining ? Is that what you are implying ? Or do you mean orbit the rock or something ? I thought staying aligned meant 'pointing at a gate or station'. Maybe we are talking about 2 different things.

Been playing 3 years and I'm not sure what is being suggested, yes really.



Hmmmm, that comment came across like you're almost proud of your own ignorance?

Krixtal Icefluxor = Winning. At something. Perhaps. Presumably.

Edit: Also, I disagree with you. The new bounty system is awesome.



No. I just find the staying aligned thig stupid and useless. Who is the one ignorant about mining as that's obviously something you don't do. Why take advice from the ignorant ? That's what's smart, actually.

And you are obviously the ignorant one as you cannot even answer my original question...because you spew nothing but nonsense.

A truly intelligent miner would use, like, math and geometry to set up bookmarks along the desired resource and align, you know, to those.

Then the resources will be consistently in range.

If the miner were intelligent, that is.

Why can't you move your mining ship in an area literally littered with what you're harvesting, again?

What's so unreasonable about, well, playing the game? Exactly what?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#155 - 2012-12-08 20:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
No. I just find the staying aligned thig stupid and useless.
What's stupid and useless about being able to instantly warp out? (Btw, no, being aligned does not mean “pointing at a gate or station”).

Oh, and it's entirely possible to mine while being aligned, especially if you get some help.
Diamond Bull
Doomheim
#156 - 2012-12-08 20:46:27 UTC
The new bounties mechanic is catastrophically idiotic for a few reasons. However, it really doesn't change anything. Having a bounty on your head doesn't mean you can be killed any easier than before. The only people who will gank you are people who would gank you anyway.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#157 - 2012-12-08 20:51:16 UTC
Diamond Bull wrote:
The new bounties mechanic is catastrophically idiotic for a few reasons. However, it really doesn't change anything. Having a bounty on your head doesn't mean you can be killed any easier than before. The only people who will gank you are people who would gank you anyway.

I disagree. The threshold of profitability just increased on many, many miners.

Therefore more ganks will occur, and mining as a profession will increase in value.

Of course it will only be a value increase for successful miners, but if players pay attention that shouldn't really be a problem.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#158 - 2012-12-09 20:46:38 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Diamond Bull wrote:
The new bounties mechanic is catastrophically idiotic for a few reasons. However, it really doesn't change anything. Having a bounty on your head doesn't mean you can be killed any easier than before. The only people who will gank you are people who would gank you anyway.

I disagree. The threshold of profitability just increased on many, many miners.

Therefore more ganks will occur, and mining as a profession will increase in value.

Of course it will only be a value increase for successful miners, but if players pay attention that shouldn't really be a problem.

Well being unsuccessful is it's own failure, but in EVE Online: Ganking 4 Bounties ...

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#159 - 2012-12-09 21:42:02 UTC
How is this thread not locked by now? I mean what is ranting, trolling and all the other reasons that are cited in several threads that are 10 times better than this one but get locked, if not the shallow discussion by the always same people in this here?

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#160 - 2012-12-09 23:08:38 UTC
Lol OP, working as intended.. I'm an industrialist, and I got a billion isk bounty on my head ( well my alliance does anyway ).

Just means that I have to be carefull with killrights on me, and when I move stuff through potential ganker territory.
But Oh wait, I did that BEFORE I got this bounty on my head.. gee, lucky me, I don't even need to adapt.

Meanwhile, several people who I've had a pet peeve against, and who I didn't have the means nor time to do some serious damage against, now have bounties going up in the hundreds of millions on them.. already several have been partially claimed.
I hope they hurry up with the linking of the killmails in said bounty collections, I wanna see who did it and give them a big wet sloppy kiss. ( and possibly a good deal on replacement ships/modules and other shinies I manufacture/obtain )

Now my most prized possession in eve, my wallet, has become a deadly weapon!

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?