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Caterin Stetille
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-12-06 21:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Edit: removed off-topic and moderation discussion - ISD Suvetar

But this bounty system is wonderful. I love placing bounties on people seeing how they react. Again, a legitimate mechanic in the game. I didn't have to put more than 3m bounty on good 'ol Krixtal here to get a nice 150m on one of my alt's heads. How do you not understand that bounties do not equal kill rights? Ideally people would sell kill rights to so-called bounty hunters, but in reality, that is never going to happen as we can plainly see. Dumb goons have already given billions in bounties to the Gurista Menace in just a few short days following the patch (I know it doesn't work like that but you get the point). Bounties literally mean absolutely nothing. They meant nothing in the previous system except free isk for the person with the bounty, and they mean just about as much now. It's not even worth it to suicide gank someone with a large bounty in highsec because the payout is terrible. Suicide ganking, though, is still fun, and we don't do it for the money.
Doddy
Excidium.
#82 - 2012-12-06 21:09:26 UTC
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounty system is going out of control.

Woke up this morning to find that some person with a hatre for miners, and lets not forget "no miners no ships", decided to put bounty on all miners and their corps in the system we use.

Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason other than "Oh what the F**K, ive made a **** ton of ISK so why not use this new Griefing technique handed to me by the game makers".

Yes i know a bounty doesnt mean u can be attacked without concord intervention in hi sec but its yet another annoyance from those that only see EVE as another 1st person shooter.

Cheers for making the game a little less appealing to a person that likes the industrial side of the game.


The most obvious people to put bounties on miners are other miners. I would suggest you look for any miners in system that don't have bounties and put a bounty on them in return.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#83 - 2012-12-06 21:10:20 UTC
Ragnaarak wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
If you are any good at industry, you'd have some isk to do the same to them.



Unlike some people I have better things to do with my income other than annoying people with senseless bounty placement


I think someone else said it best already. You were either competition for the other local miners and they wanted you gone and/or they just didn't like you.

they had a reason, they just didn't share it with you and why should they? Maybe they simply just don't like miners.

it may be news to you but you've had a bounty on your head for years at 10 mill isk per Hulk destroyed. It was called Hulkageddon

you were never safe and you are no more / less safe now than you were before.
Doddy
Excidium.
#84 - 2012-12-06 21:19:06 UTC
Gotch Urarse wrote:
Maybe not the right place, but in addition to 'place bounty' button next to 'like', they need to include your current bounty under name/corp/alliance.


supporting this
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-12-06 21:25:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Toroup wrote:
Maybe it was another miner looking to eliminate competition - that's what is great about the system - you can actually use it for a lot of different reasons.



What 'competition' ? There are plenty of Rocks (and Ice) in High Low and Null and WH's. There is no shortage and no reason to use it for just angering the Local Corps around one.

Industrialists don't tend to think that way.

You dont think other people mining in the same place affects the mining product prices? Typical miner denial, everything in eve is pvp, you are just too blind to see it.
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-12-06 21:31:34 UTC
Ragnaarak wrote:
I guess one of the things i find....well bemusing...is I have a 5.0 sec status, have never griefed anyone (unless u count posting on forums with my opinions griefing as one person who bountied me said)


Your kind of griefing, moaning on the forums for more invulnerability, is the absolute worst kind there is.
Buck Badger
Aliastra
#87 - 2012-12-06 21:46:32 UTC
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounty system is going out of control.

Woke up this morning to find that some person with a hatre for miners, and lets not forget "no miners no ships", decided to put bounty on all miners and their corps in the system we use.

Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason other than "Oh what the F**K, ive made a **** ton of ISK so why not use this new Griefing technique handed to me by the game makers".

Yes i know a bounty doesnt mean u can be attacked without concord intervention in hi sec but its yet another annoyance from those that only see EVE as another 1st person shooter.

Cheers for making the game a little less appealing to a person that likes the industrial side of the game.

Am I missing something?

As I understand it, bounties only pay for legal kills. They can only collect the bounty if you are in lowsec, nullsec, or if you do something to give them kill rights. So, as long as you are not in a corporation war, and you only mine in highsec, you're fine. They are basically wasting their money.

I especially see no way for this to affect AFK miners or miner-bumpers, without a corporation war.

I hope my corporationless mining alts get lots of bounties. Because I love it when people who like to hate on miners throw their money away for no reason.

"Trust no one.  As soon as God crapped out the third caveman a conspiracy was hatched against one of them."  Hunter Gathers
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#88 - 2012-12-06 21:49:28 UTC
Buck Badger wrote:
Ragnaarak wrote:
Bounty system is going out of control.

Woke up this morning to find that some person with a hatre for miners, and lets not forget "no miners no ships", decided to put bounty on all miners and their corps in the system we use.

Bounties need to be re addressed so that the person placing a bounty on an entity NEEDS a decent reason other than "Oh what the F**K, ive made a **** ton of ISK so why not use this new Griefing technique handed to me by the game makers".

Yes i know a bounty doesnt mean u can be attacked without concord intervention in hi sec but its yet another annoyance from those that only see EVE as another 1st person shooter.

Cheers for making the game a little less appealing to a person that likes the industrial side of the game.

Am I missing something?

As I understand it, bounties only pay for legal kills. They can only collect the bounty if you are in lowsec, nullsec, or if you do something to give them kill rights. So, as long as you are not in a corporation war, and you only mine in highsec, you're fine. They are basically wasting their money.

I especially see no way for this to affect AFK miners or miner-bumpers, without a corporation war.

I hope my corporationless mining alts get lots of bounties. Because I love it when people who like to hate on miners throw their money away for no reason.


You are incorrect, sir. You get the bounty for killing their ship, whether the kill was legal or no. The bounty system is entirely divorced from the legal system in every way, shape, and form.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#89 - 2012-12-06 21:49:37 UTC
Buck Badger wrote:
Am I missing something?
Yes, the new bounty system. Blink

Quote:
As I understand it, bounties only pay for legal kills.
Nope. Any kill will do.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-12-06 21:57:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
As I understand it, bounties only pay for legal kills.
Nope. Any kill will do.


Think of it as hiring the community to grie.. uh, correct anyone you choose. Provided you've got the scratch of course.

By the by, did you happen to see the PLEX sale? CCP would appreciate it if you would participate. Blink
Labaianoch
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-12-06 22:27:56 UTC
Just checked, out of morbid curiosity; This guy's bounty is now over 800 mil. Maybe the ultimate goal of the new bounty system was to burn out the whiners?

Its not CCP's fault that you have, for some reason, missed the memo as far as the basis of this game, for the past 2 years that you've been playing. PvP, back stabbing, evil in general are in fact encouraged. If that ruins the game for you, well, you just saved $15 bucks next month! Win!
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#92 - 2012-12-06 22:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
They still need to suicide gank you to kill you, if your only industrialists then no-one is going to have kill rights on you. The sorta players that gank miners in highsec are still there, and true the additional 20% value of the ship might make you a more desirable target, highsec gankers are still going to be looking to gank as usual. The fact is that the bounty system now gives you a viable method to gain revenge. I'm assuming, being that you are an industrialist, you don't have the ability or desire to actually hunt him down personally. Now with the killright you've gained in death, you can make him free game, to everyone! Cool

The sort of players that gank highsec miners will always be there, ganking miners. Previously they were able to get away with it with impunity. At least now, things are more difficult.

RETRIBUTION!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#93 - 2012-12-06 22:34:16 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
It actually does have an effect, it makes them profitable to gank again! They are just so sad because they whined so hard to get CCP to kill the profession of ganking and they REALLY thought they'd won. Some angry venting is to be expected now that they realize they have to play EVE again.


The difference between a ganker & myself is that I actually admit that I have no real PvP skills.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-12-06 22:43:12 UTC
Fight bounty with bounty?

Keep in mind there is a wonderful mail that is sent to you if that ebil guys is killed after you put a bounty on them. You read that mail and a slow smugness takes over knowing the moment they exploded all over the cosmos. Even dare I say, knowing your bounty on them perhaps helped make it happen. Cool
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#95 - 2012-12-06 22:53:10 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:


you were never safe and you are no more / less safe now than you were before.



We weren't safe for 3 measly weeks, which is ppppphhhhhttttttt.

People don't seem to want to remember that I fully supported H'geddon, and was seriously in discussios with someone for taking up the torch when it looked like Helicity wasn't going to do it.

But I'm just a 'stupid miner'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#96 - 2012-12-06 22:55:46 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Fight bounty with bounty?

Keep in mind there is a wonderful mail that is sent to you if that ebil guys is killed after you put a bounty on them. You read that mail and a slow smugness takes over knowing the moment they exploded all over the cosmos. Even dare I say, knowing your bounty on them perhaps helped make it happen. Cool



Yup, I've got 150,000,000 that paid out so far today, of 2 Billion total Bounties.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#97 - 2012-12-06 23:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Doddy wrote:
Gotch Urarse wrote:
Maybe not the right place, but in addition to 'place bounty' button next to 'like', they need to include your current bounty under name/corp/alliance.


supporting this

This is good, and should be done.

I'll note that the Devs have commented positively, if noncommittally, on this concept in other threads.

To wit: Here. And Here.

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#98 - 2012-12-06 23:28:51 UTC
I'm of mixed feelings concerning this new bounty system...on one hand, it somewhat fits the spirit of Eve...dangerous...brutal...arbitrary...fickle. But on the other hand, it is out of control. Where is the balance? Where are the limits? I love Eve for it's PvP, but if this were a weapon system, defensive module or a ship, the cry would be for a loud and resounding nerf. This would be, no, it is, the equivalent of Donald Trump placing a bounty on your mother just because "He can".

I love the idea and most of the execution of the new bounty system, along with Kill rights transferability. Truly, they have done a good job with this stuff, but there has to be a balance here. Like possessing a negative security status or something, something that makes sense. Even if it's limited to putting a bounty on someone who you have killrights on and those with negative security status, just make it actually have a reason and a meaning. Otherwise, the short term gain threatens the long term goal.

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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-12-06 23:30:58 UTC
Just give it a few weeks. It will cool down a bit eventually. Right now I think people are just enjoying the heck out of a new feature.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#100 - 2012-12-06 23:43:34 UTC
Where you went wrong was expecting people to be civil on the EVE forums.

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