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So the winner of this expansion is the Tengu?
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#61 - 2012-12-28 11:50:01 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
belt ratting solo in a BS

Wait, people really did this?
Alayna Le'line
#62 - 2012-12-28 11:58:04 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:

I don't see anything in your link to indicate it is an exploit. A problem with programming having unintended results? Yes. Exploit? No. Bad programming <> exploit.

People (hopefully) always have and (probably) will continue to recall drones when they are being aggro'd. Nothing has changed in that regard.

Thank you play again..
Since you obviously don't know the definition of exploit I'll help you out a bit.

Quote:
An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to one’s own advantage) is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerized).


Only if it results in an unintended advantage, which is not the case since the "bug" is documented by CCP and left in the release version on purpose.

This unintended behaviour will be fixed together when they make other changes to NPC AI (as was stated in the very same thread you so like to pull out of context)

Now can you kindly stop spewing this drivel in every drone related thread, or just petition/bug report it and be told by CCP itself you are wrong since reason doesn't seem to work on you.
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#63 - 2012-12-28 12:05:10 UTC
I love my Tengu. His name is Charlie. Charlie is happiest when we aggro entire rooms together. He is also very insistent that we always kill the small ships first.

I love Charlie, he makes my wallet sparkle.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#64 - 2012-12-28 12:38:15 UTC
My non faction fit Rattlesnake (Drone boat), now beats my ridiculously expensive faction fit tengu on all counts.

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#65 - 2012-12-28 12:57:09 UTC
i find tier 3 battlecruisers work really well for belt ratting.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#66 - 2012-12-28 15:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Blink
ashley Eoner wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:

I don't see anything in your link to indicate it is an exploit. A problem with programming having unintended results? Yes. Exploit? No. Bad programming <> exploit.

People (hopefully) always have and (probably) will continue to recall drones when they are being aggro'd. Nothing has changed in that regard.

Thank you play again..
Since you obviously don't know the definition of exploit I'll help you out a bit.

Quote:
An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to one’s own advantage) is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerized).


So when they fix this bug and your drones are slaughtered no matter what and you're perma jammed because the NPCS are using unnerfed ECM will you come to the forums and admit you're wrong or will you just hide and hope they fix this mess?

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Done that already. I don't use exploits at all. I just keep my drones in until the things trying to kill my drones are gone, and then use Hammerheads for extra Anti-Battleship DPS, since I've yet to see Battleships try to kill drones.
I find it highly improbable that you're killing elite frigates without using drones or winmatar ACs with TEs and some distance. I sure wish my rigged and implant boosted nearly maxed cruise missiles/torps could hit a frigate worth a damned. With my skill set I'm stuck using anything and everything from TPs to MWDS to try to keep threat long enough to get some RR off on my drones.

You really need to learn that a bug becomes an exploit when CCP says it does, regardless of how you personally feel about it.

You also need to learn to put a target painter on your drone boat. Smile

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Hannah Flex
#67 - 2012-12-28 16:43:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps.


The current case for PVE is that carebears and casuals play EVE to ~relax~ and should not be challenged by things like paying attention to mining lasers and cargo capacity and drones and aggro and certainly not another player coming to disturb my ~relaxation~

Oops
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-12-28 16:54:34 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit

That someone being a developer

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421
Quote:
While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution.

Thank you play again..


Please learn the difference between a 'defect' and an 'exploit'. They are not the same thing.

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Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#69 - 2012-12-28 17:19:55 UTC
I think the winner is General Tso's Alliance, but that's just me.

I used to wait for people to shoot back in lowsec to lose less sec (because I like to get into hisec from time to time), now I wait for them to shoot back so I can pod them sec-loss free.

I used to go on roams through lowsec just to get kills, now those kills pay me.

I used to ally in wars against aggressors for the thrill of PVP, now I get paid for those kills directly (with properly chosen wars).

We used to just get raged at in local and get some laughs when we killed people. Now they can put a bounty on us so we can laugh every time one of our members gets killed because of the price on their head.

I used to take joy hunting down personal kill rights, now I can do the same for others.

We used to fly T1 fit T1 cruisers and frigates to encourage more fights from wt's and to encourage new players to join up without feeling inadequate, now those ships kick all holy ass.

We used to hate neutral RR interfering in hisec wars, but with the suspect flag making that RR flagged for everyone to pounce on, it makes fights a lot more fair.

The only drawback is scanning out mission runners and then getting attacked by the rats, but its a small pittance compared to the awesome additions.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-12-28 17:21:36 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
belt ratting solo in a BS

Wait, people really did this?


Yes. Back in my day the raven was the nullsec belt ratter of choice.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-12-28 17:29:42 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Just because it now takes effort doesn't mean it's bad. It's not bad and it's not problematic. It's only an issue for non-effort 5 yearolds and afk/bots (not saying you're either).

increasing needed :effort: without increased payout people usually consider as nerf. Cool

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ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-12-28 22:39:37 UTC
Hahahahaha!! the tengu the winner, No! i have lost 3 in just 15 days Sad against sansha in missions I was ripping through before the expansion. Simply because of the new missile nerf and increased NPC AI Sad

They were well fitted out but when 4 warp scramblers get you, kiss your arse goodbye.

So well done CCP lvl4s are more challenging now makes the game more interesting and dangerous. Just what it needed!! Twisted

I,m glad they did it Big smile it was just becoming a grind.

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Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#73 - 2012-12-28 23:03:38 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-12-28 23:16:55 UTC
Sara XIII wrote:
I love my Tengu. His name is Charlie. Charlie is happiest when we aggro entire rooms together. He is also very insistent that we always kill the small ships first.

I love Charlie, he makes my wallet sparkle.



Mine's named "Ginette" and I love "Ginette" too. Lol

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Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#75 - 2012-12-29 03:48:13 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:

I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.


**** new rat AI and all the ****** carriers that are now using sentries because of it.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-12-29 04:20:52 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit

belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.

Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.



My Vindicator hasn't changed & is still better than your Tengu.

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ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#77 - 2012-12-29 06:09:44 UTC
Drone boats are dead is an understatement..... they now lose money running missions.

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#78 - 2012-12-29 07:05:57 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
Risien Drogonne wrote:
Eli Green wrote:
Drones are a primary weapon system? Lol

For a lot of ships, yes.


0/10


Oneiros, Guardians, Basilisks and Scimitars have to get their greenboard somehow.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#79 - 2012-12-29 09:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Did 32+ missions today few drones got some paint burns and i lost one hob II set to aggresive(it have function now it is to shoot things while you are jammed or TD or to send light drones to their demise)

5 hobs went to kill in world collide guri room flight of elite frigs without my consent 4 got home..can anyone do something about this drone killing spree i will stop paying for this game cant take it anymore.

I mean NPC see incoming drones and recognize it as threat ..WHAT IS THIS MADNESS..how could they IMPOSSIBBRU!1!11one!one!

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-12-29 09:20:08 UTC
ctx2007 wrote:
Hahahahaha!! the tengu the winner, No! i have lost 3 in just 15 days Sad against sansha in missions I was ripping through before the expansion. Simply because of the new missile nerf and increased NPC AI Sad

They were well fitted out but when 4 warp scramblers get you, kiss your arse goodbye.

So well done CCP lvl4s are more challenging now makes the game more interesting and dangerous. Just what it needed!! Twisted

I,m glad they did it Big smile it was just becoming a grind.

I hope you mean full room aggro issue was something that caused such losses. Otherwise it just doesn't compute for me.

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