Warfare & Tactics

Look on the bright side, at least you can wardec the alt corps now. We had a corp in Gallente militia that awoxed in order to get you to declare war. Once you did, they set the war mutual and ransomed you to get out of it. This became annoying when we wanted to join an alliance. Individuals cannot do this due to the faction standings hit. The only way to do it is via offsetting faction standing alts in a player corp or by bouncing between alt corps every 6 days Adolf style.

**** you ************

No.

You shoot something/someone that is not a legitimate target you should get slammed with tickets, subpoenas and short men in the shower called 'Big Earl' .

Since the characters in question are themselves shooting allies they will soon find themselves kicked from militia (at least I think that is how it works now), so take down their names and when they are removed check periodically if they have been biomassed .. when that happens petition them and get the controller banned (biomassing to avoid consequences is a NoNo).

The lame duck will soon find his accounts filled with useless alts, aka. you win.

As for sec: Do what was suggested years ago. Move all sec gain to low-sec, where the crimes are committed and slap an extra modifier on rats in FW space to sweeten the deal .. perps (hopefully armed) roaming the countryside to appease Concord can only improve the lives of the pew'ers.

In short: CCP recently (2 years ago = yesterday with regards to FW changes) changed when/how people are ejected from FW due to standings so work within that system to discourage the described behaviour.

war dec NPC corps?

I'm voting you in for a position of power. Shooting would be my option if it were a valid one.

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If it's an NPC corp then the problem will deal with itself very quickly as the awoxers have no corp members to buoy their standings.

What they should do is create an AWOXER list internally. Keep the penalty - If someone engages you, you can fire back without taking penalty yourself (not sure if this is already implemented).

But after someone awoxes for a while within their own militia, they are added to a list for say a month or so. Which makes them an open target to their own militia. This would mean they can still be involved in many militia activities, but engaging them would not be an issue.

To add, regardless of whether they change corp, militia, etc. The character will still be on the 'list'.

How the hell is this anything like pay to win?

You really do not understand faction warfare at all, do you?

The tactic in question relies on the 7 day escrow period on including the standings of a toon joining a player corporation (and alliance) towards the overall corporation's standings toward the militia and faction. ie; for 7 days, your -8.0 vs Minmatar doesn't count toward the faction standings for Blobcats.

This 7 day period before their negative standings affect corporation standings is gameable, if you leave your corporation before the 7 day period is up, it's as if you were never in that corporation. While in that corporation, you go around AWOXing as many of your fellow militia members as you possibly can; anyone who shoots back or assists their friend loses faction standings. Eventually, their corporation standings drop too low, and then their whole Alliance drops too low, and gets booted from the Militia.

As Cynthia aka Perkin says, it is pretty sad that ushra'Khan couldn't figure out how to math properly. But either way, the maths are strongly against U'K in this fight between Cynthia and her alts and Dan Carter Murray and his alts, who get to knock massive faction standings off U'K for no penalty to the Caerise toon or the Blobcats corporation at all.

This is essentially similar to, eg, gaming the price of items in your ship's hold to ridiculous levels, and blowing up ships to recieve ridiculous LP payouts. Or somehow figuring out how to fly around highsec unmolested by the faction popo ganking people in your alliance without being CONCORDOKKENED.

It is an abuse of a game rule or system.

The game rule is there to allow militia corporations to pick up members in good faith now that recruiters cannot check the personal standings of recruits to militia and factions, and gives them 7 days to straighten up their standings as much as possible. It is not there, as far as I am aware, to allow people to freely and without consequences AWOX militia members, roll out of a corp every 6 days (in this case, directly to the opposing militia) in some cases in between docking and undocking.

So. I would like to hear from Veshta how the Caerise toon will be kicked from Minmatar militia from the consequences of the controlling player's action. Why would the person controlling the Caerise toon biomass that toon when it can be recycled indefinitely between Amarr militia, and Minmatar militia?

The asymmetry of the maths in this equation are basically infinite, and once Caerise has neutered U'K the controlling player can move up to Kourm and start on whomever. The only defence is a wardec, which has consequences for highsec transits by players, as now Blobcats can accept allies or members to assist in the war.


Clearly CCP has a bit of work to do.