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Meep Thong
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-12-06 02:58:03 UTC
QQ.

Get that marauder trained up.
Tesal
#22 - 2012-12-06 03:29:53 UTC
Whisperen wrote:
Have one of your noobie corpmates fly in one of the new logi frigates follow your drones and rep them. Teamwork.


If you do remote rep the rats turn to you as the target.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-12-06 03:33:12 UTC
Spends half a year skilling for a raven, thinks new AI is the problem.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#24 - 2012-12-06 13:29:26 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Drew Solaert wrote:
Cheating way: launch, drone aggro, pull in, launch, no aggro.
I'm not a little ***** way: Snipe frigs from range and when they are in close then send out the drones, you can pull the lil bastards in and out almost instantly.
You're exploiting a bug that will be fixed sometime.

CCP DEV FoxFour
Quote:

While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421


People have been using drones like this before the patch. Not an exploit. Just because they fubar'd the code doesn't make a previously valid tactic cheating or an exploit.

Typical Eve hack: mad at everyone, about everything.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#25 - 2012-12-06 13:31:40 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Here's the secret, do not deploy drones until frig npc's are on top of you this way you can recall them as soon as they are aggroed.
After doing many missions since I wrote earlier, npc's seem to leave drones alone after 2 mins into the mission and all aggro is on you, if you deploy as soon as npc aggro your drones will get aggro.

Can someone please tell me how to get to sesame street?


I guess no one reads the Test server forum lol.

that's a bug, one ccp plans on fixing.
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#26 - 2012-12-06 13:38:27 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Lasers don't help....


I will... someday.


Actually I heard you can hire 5 nullbears or more and launch them instead of drones. Their intellect is inferior to drones but they can fly in big numbers and shoot things.

Whatever.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-12-06 13:51:06 UTC
My drones are still working just as well as before.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#28 - 2012-12-06 13:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
As a supplier of T2 drones to the market I can't help but applaud the implementation of the new NPC AI.

Is it after all not a step towards more interesting PvE content and therefore one of the things mission runners have been demanding over a number of years?

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
iskflakes
#29 - 2012-12-06 14:00:48 UTC
Speaking as somebody with 20 million SP in drones on an alt, I don't care. You mission runners should adapt, or downgrade to level 3s. I'm actually quite pleased that CCP is finally clamping down on some of the isk fountains in EVE, it might even reduce inflation.

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#30 - 2012-12-06 14:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
Drones are just ammo, @ 800k ISK per shot.



iskflakes wrote:
Speaking as somebody with 20 million SP in drones on an alt, I don't care. You mission runners should adapt, or downgrade to level 3s. I'm actually quite pleased that CCP is finally clamping down on some of the isk fountains in EVE, it might even reduce inflation.



You have a monacle... just sayin' Bro

Now with 100% less Troll.
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-06 14:23:49 UTC
Whisperen wrote:
Have one of your noobie corpmates fly in one of the new logi frigates follow your drones and rep them. Teamwork.


I'll admit I'm no expert but wont that draw all the aggro straight onto the poor noobie?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-12-06 14:26:06 UTC
Mind you don't do anything to use drones anymore, but...

It sounds to me like,
If the mechanics for deploying and recalling drones was simplified, so that it was as simple and quick as activating a turret, people wouldn't really have any problems with the AI change.

It sounds like you guys have to approach things differently now, but the mechanics don't really make transitioning to the new approach very easy.


Seems like you shoot, get agro, deploy drones, drones get agro, recall drones, reaquire agro, deploy drones, rinse repeat.

That I wouldn't find any fun given the way you manage drones.

From the outside, looking in, and admittedly without all the facts, it looks like some of you are complaining about the wrong problem.
Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-12-06 14:36:53 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Mind you don't do anything to use drones anymore, but...

It sounds to me like,
If the mechanics for deploying and recalling drones was simplified, so that it was as simple and quick as activating a turret, people wouldn't really have any problems with the AI change.

It sounds like you guys have to approach things differently now, but the mechanics don't really make transitioning to the new approach very easy.


Seems like you shoot, get agro, deploy drones, drones get agro, recall drones, reaquire agro, deploy drones, rinse repeat.

That I wouldn't find any fun given the way you manage drones.

From the outside, looking in, and admittedly without all the facts, it looks like some of you are complaining about the wrong problem.

I'm only here complaining about people complaining about drones dying a lot, even though this was probably intended from CCP's side, and people who're unwilling to adapt to the changes.
Just Lilly
#34 - 2012-12-06 16:18:01 UTC
I never used drones on my old navy raven, the 3x rigor rigs + target painter, melted
even the annoying spiderdrones just fine. Blink
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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#35 - 2012-12-06 16:28:25 UTC
PVE is for real men now
Doddy
Excidium.
#36 - 2012-12-06 16:38:52 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
Whisperen wrote:
Have one of your noobie corpmates fly in one of the new logi frigates follow your drones and rep them. Teamwork.


I'll admit I'm no expert but wont that draw all the aggro straight onto the poor noobie?


Yep, far better if the noobie flys is frigate and kill sthe frig rats that kill the drones.
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#37 - 2012-12-06 16:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Toroup
I guess I don't understand this. Since the patch, I have run Level 4s in a Rattlesnake, Vindicator and Mach and haven't had any issues. I switched to Hobi IIs and they just focus on frigates/cruisers and I've lost some (I did Damsel in Distress last night and lost 1 but I lost like 15 on the second slaver mission) but it hasn't made level 4s unplayable or anything. Hell, you can put 80 Hobis in a Rattlesnake so I can't imagine running low.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-12-06 16:53:25 UTC
/signed

The murder of 6 million Jews is totally comparable to me losing some Warrior IIs during a lvl4 mission.

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Liandri Jenquai
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-12-06 16:58:20 UTC
I am a complete carebear noob and havn't lost a drone in a L4 yet. If I see my drones getting attacked, I pull them in. why is that so hard?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2012-12-06 17:17:12 UTC
Liandri Jenquai wrote:
I am a complete carebear noob and havn't lost a drone in a L4 yet. If I see my drones getting attacked, I pull them in. why is that so hard?


We asked the same thing about miners fitting a tank.