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Gallente vs Caldari update

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-12-10 13:57:59 UTC
I didn't realise that every single person in Liandri was a Damar alt. I guess that makes a little more sense. Damar has always been pretty open about not caring about fairness in the system unless it's "fairness" that somehow benefits his side, and to be honest, more recently, he's only interested in stuff that benefits him and his allies specifically - there are some hilarious quotes of him raging at other members of the Caldari militia he doesn't feel are on-side with him.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#42 - 2012-12-10 14:28:45 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I didn't realise that every single person in Liandri was a Damar alt. I guess that makes a little more sense. Damar has always been pretty open about not caring about fairness in the system unless it's "fairness" that somehow benefits his side, and to be honest, more recently, he's only interested in stuff that benefits him and his allies specifically - there are some hilarious quotes of him raging at other members of the Caldari militia he doesn't feel are on-side with him.



and gals mins like to stick in CCP body part to get adavantages .... actually I dont like Damar manners time to time, but one thing is pretty clear CCP is systematicaly beating Caldari/Amarr in last 3 years by decissions making in right time and in right moment for the Gals minnies. It ofc has nothin to do with some CCP actively playing with their toons in FW. I honor efort of all Caldari/Amarr players who were able to fight back to keep the ballance.

I think it is sort of funny roleplay and I am quite interested when it ends. As my general statement is that Tier system should end and FW farmville should be completely removed (keep what is good and remove the farmville aspects). But people like Hans and nullbears likes the farmville so it is hard to beat this, because non fw CCP does not hear the problem.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#43 - 2012-12-10 16:06:40 UTC
btw i like some technical changes done to plexes .... just not to ***** all the time.

and crimewatch is awsome ;)



Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#44 - 2012-12-10 16:17:59 UTC
I agree, big fan so far. Except my sec status seems to be slowly going up...even though I am shooting more neutral stuff then ever. Its annoying. Pirate

Hidden Snake wrote:


and crimewatch is awsome ;)




nom nom

Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#45 - 2012-12-10 16:58:10 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
well ... I am sort of way in FW back for last 3 weeks ... and I have to say CCP Gallente u really roleplay it nice Roll

FW farmville is now even worse it was.

Aw, now see it's a persecution complex like that that will make you a Sad mollusk.

Just realize that CCP Gallente is rather dense and ineffectual. For months, years, he just didn't get it about the ewar imbalances with the npc, the inability to speed tank federation navy ships similarly to state, and other things before my time. He kept saying why are you guys losing space? So what that their militia is half again bigger than yours . . Meanwhile CCP Caldari was quietly bending the ear of CCP EVE God to your cause, making all of us Sad amphibians . . So sad that we became like Damar.

OK, I lied, we could never approach the wonderously paranoid musings of Damar.P

So you see CCP Gallente is nothing to worry about. Smile

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#46 - 2012-12-10 17:51:08 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
well ... I am sort of way in FW back for last 3 weeks ... and I have to say CCP Gallente u really roleplay it nice Roll

FW farmville is now even worse it was.

Aw, now see it's a persecution complex like that that will make you a Sad mollusk.

Just realize that CCP Gallente is rather dense and ineffectual. For months, years, he just didn't get it about the ewar imbalances with the npc, the inability to speed tank federation navy ships similarly to state, and other things before my time. He kept saying why are you guys losing space? So what that their militia is half again bigger than yours . . Meanwhile CCP Caldari was quietly bending the ear of CCP EVE God to your cause, making all of us Sad amphibians . . So sad that we became like Damar.

OK, I lied, we could never approach the wonderously paranoid musings of Damar.P

So you see CCP Gallente is nothing to worry about. Smile

Because I am in fw from nearly beggining .... Not many people can say now .... I will give u historical lessons. CCP galente started to appear and hitting in past 2 years (in general as a result to compensate our 100 percent control of systems etc.) ..... Problem is ccp is roleplaying against cal/amarr by quick patches and advantages to gals/mini ..... And all the steps being very quickly exploited by group of gallente/minnie core. And fact 2 ccp employees working on fw are active minnie and gal players (by active i mean one in charge Is known for last year). Hans is csm is also proving how big liar he was during the votes. CCP is not doing anything about that and is actively supporting it and keeps leaking info to same people.

Tinfoil hat on.


I do care with some limits because fw was hammered to dust (please do not mix lowsec pvp and the ccp farmville),but i still live in lowsec and i see huge potential there to make it living space( which requires sort of plan, which current ccp fw developers lack).
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#47 - 2012-12-10 17:52:34 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
I agree, big fan so far. Except my sec status seems to be slowly going up...even though I am shooting more neutral stuff then ever. Its annoying. Pirate

Hidden Snake wrote:


and crimewatch is awsome ;)







It is funny, that team which is doing these little chnges is doing it right ... Make the game more playable pleasant, but the team behind the strategy sucks.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#48 - 2012-12-10 20:29:51 UTC
So go tell them that, you know they have feedback threads which they actively monitor. Tell them what you think they are doing wrong and offer them some alternatives. Sitting on the sidelines complaining the other side gets all the perks is pretty pointless when the other side is the only one actually getting involved in the decision making process.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-12-10 20:54:45 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
So go tell them that, you know they have feedback threads which they actively monitor. Tell them what you think they are doing wrong and offer them some alternatives.


You honestly think we have not tried? One case is the whole station lockout which vast majority of FW players loudly said would be completely and utterly stupid thing to implement. It went ahead anyway.

Other case, long ago, was when we warned that boosting FW missions would fill low-sec with mission grinders and why it would happen. CCP went ahead with it anyway, mission grinders arrived in mass and FW turned into isk making factory what it still mainly is.

And many other things which are not even for specific militia" but basic things they ****-up completely. Like the plex timer bug and the "remove from circulation" mechanics which supposedly took them years to reproduce. You know, instead of maybe just asking me to reproduce it for them, I am sure I could have spared half an hour for them.

Of course the silly part in said bugs was that CCP only took action after I started to use it against the gallentes since they didnt hesitate to trigger it in their own systems. End result was lots of moaning, Prazminrak sending a "caught in the act" video to devs and CCP threathening me with a ban. And this was showing a bug in FW mechanics that gallentes were using.

(Just demonstrating the CCP bias there again naturally).
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#50 - 2012-12-10 21:11:11 UTC
They updated the Fac War Stats to show only active members. I created a spreadsheet to show the percent remaining after this "purging" that shows how much each faction was actually active.

It has some other fun stuff on it, I do not promise to keep it up to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#51 - 2012-12-10 21:39:51 UTC
I'm seeing Gallente people in this thread, complaining that they're losing...? Are you blind? Are you stupid? Caldari gets 12500 for running a medium, and you get bloody 62500!

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!

Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#52 - 2012-12-10 21:42:00 UTC
Val Erian corrected an error where I set up minimum Tier to be 0 based and not 1 based.

Corrections have been made.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#53 - 2012-12-10 22:20:11 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
They updated the Fac War Stats to show only active members. I created a spreadsheet to show the percent remaining after this "purging" that shows how much each faction was actually active.

It has some other fun stuff on it, I do not promise to keep it up to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0


That's some nice details - finally an end to the Caldari denying their numerical superiority!
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#54 - 2012-12-10 22:23:49 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Ashterothi wrote:
They updated the Fac War Stats to show only active members. I created a spreadsheet to show the percent remaining after this "purging" that shows how much each faction was actually active.

It has some other fun stuff on it, I do not promise to keep it up to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0


That's some nice details - finally an end to the Caldari denying their numerical superiority!


But, but 1,000 of those 3761 Cal Mil pilots are obviously frog alts !

Great number crunching Ash.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#55 - 2012-12-10 22:28:04 UTC
Fac war stats processed by Marcel, I just did the math on them. :D
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#56 - 2012-12-11 00:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Darek Castigatus
Mich Farmer wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
So go tell them that, you know they have feedback threads which they actively monitor. Tell them what you think they are doing wrong and offer them some alternatives.


You honestly think we have not tried? One case is the whole station lockout which vast majority of FW players loudly said would be completely and utterly stupid thing to implement. It went ahead anyway.

Other case, long ago, was when we warned that boosting FW missions would fill low-sec with mission grinders and why it would happen. CCP went ahead with it anyway, mission grinders arrived in mass and FW turned into isk making factory what it still mainly is.

And many other things which are not even for specific militia" but basic things they ****-up completely. Like the plex timer bug and the "remove from circulation" mechanics which supposedly took them years to reproduce. You know, instead of maybe just asking me to reproduce it for them, I am sure I could have spared half an hour for them.

Of course the silly part in said bugs was that CCP only took action after I started to use it against the gallentes since they didnt hesitate to trigger it in their own systems. End result was lots of moaning, Prazminrak sending a "caught in the act" video to devs and CCP threathening me with a ban. And this was showing a bug in FW mechanics that gallentes were using.

(Just demonstrating the CCP bias there again naturally).


So basiclly the only examples you can come up with are when it was agreed across the militias that the idea was bad and yet they went ahead with it anyway. I still fail to see how this proves CCP are biased in favour of the gallente when they were right there alongside you argueing against an idea.

As for the points you raise about bugs if you hated people using them so much why didnt you send proof of it when the gallente were doing it in your systems. You claim you could have reproduced it at any time had CCP asked and that it was a gallente video that led to you being reprimanded so why didnt you take the asking out of the equasion and send videos of your own when they were doing it?

Im honestly confused where this persecution complex of yours comes from when in every point you've raised so far there were things you could have done to help your side that from the outside it looks like you simply didnt do. If I'm wrong about that please show me where and how so we dont have to have this arguement again in the future.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#57 - 2012-12-11 04:17:12 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
They updated the Fac War Stats to show only active members. I created a spreadsheet to show the percent remaining after this "purging" that shows how much each faction was actually active.

It has some other fun stuff on it, I do not promise to keep it up to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0



What do they mean by active? Just that you have a currently paid account with that character in it?

Anyone that has followed fw since the start should be amazed that minmatar has more active members than caldari.

The caldari were by far the most popular race to choose at the start up. And that has traditionally lead to them having, by far, the most numbers. People are purposefully chosing the minmatar for some reason.


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#58 - 2012-12-11 04:51:51 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
Fac war stats processed by Marcel, I just did the math on them. :D


Nice job by the both of you then, been a long time curious about those numbers.

Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-12-11 06:07:19 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
As for the points you raise about bugs if you hated people using them so much why didnt you send proof of it when the gallente were doing it in your systems.


I did. But now you assume GM's actually know the terms and mechanics of FW and after repeatedly (for a long time) bashing my head with some moron who just could not grasp the fact I was not talking about gravimetric sites or other usual low-sec thingies without giving me usual parrot answers, I gave up.

I quess I should have made a video then but didnt have the time for that really. Image capture just does not show anything other than timer not running eh....

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#60 - 2012-12-11 07:47:16 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Mich Farmer wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
So go tell them that, you know they have feedback threads which they actively monitor. Tell them what you think they are doing wrong and offer them some alternatives.


You honestly think we have not tried? One case is the whole station lockout which vast majority of FW players loudly said would be completely and utterly stupid thing to implement. It went ahead anyway.

Other case, long ago, was when we warned that boosting FW missions would fill low-sec with mission grinders and why it would happen. CCP went ahead with it anyway, mission grinders arrived in mass and FW turned into isk making factory what it still mainly is.

And many other things which are not even for specific militia" but basic things they ****-up completely. Like the plex timer bug and the "remove from circulation" mechanics which supposedly took them years to reproduce. You know, instead of maybe just asking me to reproduce it for them, I am sure I could have spared half an hour for them.

Of course the silly part in said bugs was that CCP only took action after I started to use it against the gallentes since they didnt hesitate to trigger it in their own systems. End result was lots of moaning, Prazminrak sending a "caught in the act" video to devs and CCP threathening me with a ban. And this was showing a bug in FW mechanics that gallentes were using.

(Just demonstrating the CCP bias there again naturally).


So basiclly the only examples you can come up with are when it was agreed across the militias that the idea was bad and yet they went ahead with it anyway. I still fail to see how this proves CCP are biased in favour of the gallente when they were right there alongside you argueing against an idea.

As for the points you raise about bugs if you hated people using them so much why didnt you send proof of it when the gallente were doing it in your systems. You claim you could have reproduced it at any time had CCP asked and that it was a gallente video that led to you being reprimanded so why didnt you take the asking out of the equasion and send videos of your own when they were doing it?

Im honestly confused where this persecution complex of yours comes from when in every point you've raised so far there were things you could have done to help your side that from the outside it looks like you simply didnt do. If I'm wrong about that please show me where and how so we dont have to have this arguement again in the future.



You have to live in it .... long enough ... point is in last 2 years CCP is actively implementing quickfixes and changes reflecting state of the battlefield in favor of their roleplay likes .... to say it diplomatically. To say it rude - two CCP employees and one CSM member are actively playing their FW accounts - actual drop in Caldari numbers is I think reflecting massive disgust we all faced after last two actions taken. God bless my good old game industry connections.