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Gallente vs Caldari update

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#21 - 2012-12-06 17:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Mich Farmer wrote:

And why should we give them to you? CCP just threw you another bone after Caldari started to come back,which will kick Caldari back to tier 1 because Gallente get more isk, plexes can be farmed again with impunity and they even increased the number of plexes available per 30 min period.
Somebody has to lose. (Seriously though, you're right these payout multipliers should be incremental 5%, not 75% increases. Lockouts of important low sec agents is enough of a penalty to isk-making)

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So exactly tell me, what is there left to fight for since it seems one can get better pvp content with new bounty system than the ****** farmville you petitioned Hans and CCP to make FW into, again. And as always, Bad Messenger was right. I didnt believe him this time but oh he was so right.
There is nothing to fight for. You and Cearain should leave FW.
Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-12-06 17:55:08 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Lockouts of important low sec agents is enough of a penalty to isk-making)


And Gal/Matar just, by purest of happestance, own the only low-sec FW agents which are immune to station lockouts and CCP does not appear to be keen on fixing this one. and why would they, since by their own admission, devs are playing for those militias.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#23 - 2012-12-06 18:07:45 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Lockouts of important low sec agents is enough of a penalty to isk-making)

And Gal/Matar just, by purest of happestance, own the only low-sec FW agents which are immune to station lockouts and CCP does not appear to be keen on fixing this one. and why would they, since by their own admission, devs are playing for those militias.
These guys are very smart and forward thinking. They put those stations (Parts for Gallente) away from the FW theater knowing full well that they would buff missions one year later, and then they would implement a lockout feature 4 years later.

I am perfectly happy with CCP moving Parts to Vlillirier or Heyd or anywhere in the FW theater that is close to Caldari space like so many Caldari mission systems (Eha, Innia, Enalurix2, Nisuwa, etc...) are to Gallente space. Oicx would be great too. Or perhaps Aldranette or Abune.
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#24 - 2012-12-06 20:55:24 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
CCP implemented another Gallente requested buff to their plex farming (as if screwing people over with ninja patch was not enough), Caldari continue to fight outnumbered as everyone and their dog jumps to side with more isk making options. That's about it.


Confirming that Caldari still are number one in number of pilots with over 10k.

Gallente is third with right around 8.1k

Warzone control is still on the Gallente side.

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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#25 - 2012-12-06 21:03:02 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
Mich Farmer wrote:
CCP implemented another Gallente requested buff to their plex farming (as if screwing people over with ninja patch was not enough), Caldari continue to fight outnumbered as everyone and their dog jumps to side with more isk making options. That's about it.


Confirming that Caldari still are number one in number of pilots with over 10k.

Gallente is third with right around 8.1k

Warzone control is still on the Gallente side.


Pure numbers =/= actively playing pilots, I feel the Caldari side is lacking in comparison to the Gallente when it comes to actively flying pilots. It doesn't surprise me that the Caldari have a lot of FW pilots...it's traditionally a carebear/PvE race to begin with and FW mixes PvP with PvE very well.


That said, I am expecting a lot more action over the weekend. The Caldari are on a high from the Vif flip and I am expecting to see some interesting fleets in the following days. I only hope the Gallente ship up and give a good and fun fight.

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Eternal Corrosion
The Truskers
#26 - 2012-12-06 22:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Corrosion
In my opinion Caldari lacks of experience in EU TZ, i am not saying they are bad, but there are more and better pilots in the Gallente Militia.

What Caldari needs is a nice corporation or alliace which reactivates this and a change in the mechanics, there are too many farmers in the gallente side, basically because they receive better rewards...

its ok that they gain more but its a **** we gain like 75% less...

You see lots of mini gangs, but there is no strategy, at least a common strategy and mechanics dont help

but its ok, we have fights and LPs, we just need to make our prices go higher Blink

I will always love LowSec
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-12-06 23:22:42 UTC
Picardise wrote:
Mich Farmer wrote:
CCP implemented another Gallente requested buff to their plex farming (as if screwing people over with ninja patch was not enough), Caldari continue to fight outnumbered as everyone and their dog jumps to side with more isk making options. That's about it.

Weren't the Gallente stuck at T2 before the patch with Caldari at T4, and then through a coordinated effort of militias and deplexing, flip the tables on Caldari by preventing them from blitzing systems after the patch?


I'm sorry but I have to correct this. At the time of the patch Gallente owned like 85% of the systems and did a final Tier 5 dump (caldari farming vulnerable system as every faction did) Ninja patch went in and people didn't really understand exactly what the changes meant and caldari were able to get some systems back even when CCP simply deleted the huge excess of system capture.

By coordinated effort of militias deplexing do you mean the horde of farmer alts that used their incursus plexing ships that were useless for offensive plexing to very high paying and even more afk friendly defensive plexing?

I think caldari militia are pretty dumb and lol-worthy but that ninja patch handed gallente a huge advantage which they didn't even want or need. If caldari can ever regain t3 or t4 that would be hugely impressive.
Eternal Corrosion
The Truskers
#28 - 2012-12-09 17:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Corrosion
Kraken. has left the caldari militia (dunno if forever)
Gallente has reached T4.
Caldari militia incredibly lacks of any kind of FC or semipublic fleets

The only good thing is that pvp is good, faction caldari objects has expensive prices if you know what you are doing and you can have nice fights if you know how to evade "blobs" (3 vs 1 for example)

I dont know how is the amarr/min war but this one ins a pure chaos, just small pvp..., i dont think it possible to capture a single system...

Ah, and we lost Enalura iwthout any respond...

Edit: Caldari is T1, now...

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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#29 - 2012-12-09 18:04:28 UTC
There appears to be a vacuum in the Caldari militia, and eventually something will fill it. Just as the Amarr were mocked and are now gaining steam long lost, the Caldari no doubt will rise to the challenge. The question is just how long and who.

I intend to stand with my fellow Caldari and live out the rough, as does my corp and alliance.

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Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-12-09 18:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mich Farmer
Morgan Torry wrote:
There appears to be a vacuum in the Caldari militia, and eventually something will fill it. Just as the Amarr were mocked and are now gaining steam long lost, the Caldari no doubt will rise to the challenge. The question is just how long and who.


There is a standard gallente response to anything which fills the vacuum. Go blueballs until said entity gets bored and leaves for nullsec and never returns for FW, usually after not-so-succesfull 0.0 career. So far it has always worked wonderfully. Frog entities never have such problem, being content to sit in their home system and titan bridge on anything which happens to fight outside plexes since taking any kind of challenges is completely alien concept to gallentes.

Eternal Corrosion wrote:
I dont know how is the amarr/min war but this one ins a pure chaos, just small pvp..., i dont think it possible to capture a single system..


CCP reintroduced the farming because Gallentes wanted it back, without resetting warzone (which would been easy solution with say three week period of no-lockouts to enable people take places they wanted) and basicly handing the frogs keys to bank vault with automatic high-tier, since ninja patching Caldari to hell was not sufficient punishment enough. So where do farmers go? Not to Caldari as you can quess.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-12-09 20:25:45 UTC
Is everyone from Liandri Covenant this whiny?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Antares 04
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-12-09 21:45:12 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Is everyone from Liandri Covenant this whiny?


Apparently. It will be interesting to see if he can provide any proof of his accusations in the P2W tread.

I am not holding my breath waiting.
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#33 - 2012-12-09 23:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Juan Rayo
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Is everyone from Liandri Covenant this whiny?


They are all the same dude I think. So yes.

EDIT: as for the OP... Gallente went down to tier 3 for a bit, but it´s now comfortably at tier 4 again, while the Caldari might just dip back into tier 1 if they don´t step up. Good news for them: I see a LOT of heavily contested Gal systems since the latest batch of changes.

Kraken leaving (have they?) is bad news for all of us. We enjoy fighting them and they are one of the main alliances in the Caldari side.

I also see a lot of new corps on the gallente side, but I expect most of them will be leaving as the LP starts to dry up or they fall prey to some of the most active and experienced caldari.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2012-12-10 01:08:06 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Is everyone from Liandri Covenant this whiny?


Considering as far as we can tell they consist of Damar and his alts i would say yes.

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Luscar Seneca
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-10 02:13:49 UTC
Boys, boys, boys! A large problem I've got with my calmil buds is that a fair chunk of them are living in high sec. Obviously large alliances leaving hurts the effort but there's the select few that just will not leave. We have to rally up and fight the frogs, not just give in. Hope to see you guys out there Big smile
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#36 - 2012-12-10 02:18:58 UTC
Luscar Seneca wrote:
Boys, boys, boys! A large problem I've got with my calmil buds is that a fair chunk of them are living in high sec. Obviously large alliances leaving hurts the effort but there's the select few that just will not leave. We have to rally up and fight the frogs, not just give in. Hope to see you guys out there Big smile


Best of luck! will love to see more Caldari fighting. Tell them to get their butts to losec!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#37 - 2012-12-10 03:50:44 UTC
Picardise wrote:
Curious for reports on other theaters in the Gallente Caldari war.

Since the sudden FW update a month ago, Gallente has held T4 consistently around 60% while Caldari hovers in T2 around 25%. Caldari recently flipped Vifervaert in Essence, knocking Gallente out of T4.

What other hot spots have you participated in?



Amazingly, looks like vif is about to be taken back just 2/3 days after it was last swung. Ive not dont any real plexing but a 3 day swing time does look similar to things a couple of months ago. Perhaps vif was just meant to take the pressure off oms and lad, since those and fliet are still being somewhat defended.

Though, it does look like the beginning of the end for cal mil occupancy this 'iteration'.

TBH though, if one of the cal mil major alliances didnt spend all their time in villore shooting nublets they may have stood up to the changes a little better overall. Though we cant dictate how others play the game, just comment on it.
Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-12-10 06:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mich Farmer
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
TBH though, if one of the cal mil major alliances didnt spend all their time in villore shooting nublets they may have stood up to the changes a little better overall. Though we cant dictate how others play the game, just comment on it.


Because people can effectively defend against 23/7 farmer onslaught when sleeping/working/etc?

And you seem to live in some fantasy land where dominantly EU timezone alliance should come to low-sec when they are sleeping to face 20:1 odds with capital hotdrops on standby from froggies and their neutral allies. But hey, as Spiritus Draconis said, "this is supposedly where all the pvp is".

Of course with their neutral logi/falcon alt blob we never expected them to look for challenging enviroment anyway.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#39 - 2012-12-10 08:12:49 UTC
well ... I am sort of way in FW back for last 3 weeks ... and I have to say CCP Gallente u really roleplay it nice Roll

FW farmville is now even worse it was.
Antares 04
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-12-10 09:48:49 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
TBH though, if one of the cal mil major alliances didnt spend all their time in villore shooting nublets they may have stood up to the changes a little better overall. Though we cant dictate how others play the game, just comment on it.


Because people can effectively defend against 23/7 farmer onslaught when sleeping/working/etc?

And you seem to live in some fantasy land where dominantly EU timezone alliance should come to low-sec when they are sleeping to face 20:1 odds with capital hotdrops on standby from froggies and their neutral allies. But hey, as Spiritus Draconis said, "this is supposedly where all the pvp is".

Of course with their neutral logi/falcon alt blob we never expected them to look for challenging enviroment anyway.


Said the man who spear-headed the after-DT charge that saw the Fed militia lose all their systems years ago when you gamed the system for what it was worth, in your favor, because the majority of the FDU had no means to stop you and your absurd numerical advantage.

Nothing you say anymore on these forums have any innate value - you complain, lie, whine, spread libel and accusations, and you are either unwilling or unable - possibly both - to back any of your claims up with any evidence to support your baseless slander and persecution complex.

This is me being officially done with you Damar. I will block this toon (as I blocked your main a long time ago after to much garbage in local) and I will do my best to not respond to any of your flame-bait and crap on these forums from now on.

Go watch MLP. Bring some happiness to your miserable life.