Ships & Modules

I'm sure that this has been stated in the replies but just in case - The Mack is a solo miner and the Hulk is meant to be used in a fleet. Hulk has a greater yield (in isk terms Mack is 19.6M per hour and Hulk is 21.5M per hour) but you need a hauler.

They are both role specific ships, it just depends on your style. If you solo then Mack, if you have any Orca to fleet with then Hulk. It doesn't mean that one or the other needs to be adjusted. They are trying to get away from A>B and move towards A=/=B but both fit a role.

Well since the only reason the ore hold of the Mack is usefull is when hauling to station that just means the hulk mines even more since it never stops mining.

I like the changes to the mining ships but I disagree that the Hulk is now a fleet mining ship, I think the Mack is still a better ship for fleet mining. The Hulk might beat the Mack on paper but I think it's a bit like how harvest drone can look better on paper but don't work out in practice.

If you are going to do fleet mining in a belt with an Orca and 4 exhumer Mack's or Hulk's then these are the things you have to way up.

with 4 Hulks you have 16 mining lasers they need to be next to the Orca so end up targeting the same asteroids sooner than you would with Macks. You could get the Hulks to jet can mine but then that adds more Risk and you are still going to get the same problem when you get to the end of the belt.

If you are using Hulks and they are sitting next to the Orca then I think you should also consider the amount you would be loosing in travel time if you are using drones and they need to travel to asteroids, compared to if you had Macks filling up and a hauler coming to them or the Orca slowly flying back and forth between them.

Using Macks you can keep the Orca in Belt giving boosts longer at the end of a mining op because the Macks can fill up there cargo hold before warping back to station.

Hulks seem to get ganged more and so I would also consider that when picking mining ships for fleet operations.

If someone things I have missed something or does use Hulks for feet ops and has found that they are better I would be interested in seeing how, or by how much they are better?

If you where going to try and change Hulks, or mining again to make Hulk more useful again, I would like to be able to use Heat on Mining lasers and over load them, I think that would make the Hulk a good ship for mining out missions faster then, because it could mine out a mission and burn out lasers and then return to station to swap out lasers or repair and then haul in the ore from the mission.

Orca has tractor beam range/level.

Hulk w/ orca support works well when you are not in highsec.
Mack works in empire so you can be lazy and sort of safe.

Yield boost, cycle reduction, etc. links on the orca. It scoops up the stuffs. Your hulk gets better, your orca gets fat with loots. This of couse assumes you are not playing EVE solo in Highsec.

If you want to be super pro, you have a deployed Rorq on grid, who will crush everything down as you mine it keeping you in the grav site even longer. This also assumes team activity.

The hulk will NEVER EVER EVER EVER NEVER NOT GONNA HAPPEN get a larger ore hold. You already have a mackinaw for that. If you want to continue to whine I am sure MiniLuv would be interested in learning more.