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For all the Drone users

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Villaseni
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-12-06 11:43:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Villaseni wrote:
Just use a target painter on one rat...and your drones will never be aggro'd


Can you also give me 1 mid slot? Because I have to use 1 less hardener than any other race as is.


Use a dominix.
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-12-06 11:55:04 UTC
Beiny Lemmont wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.

Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.

Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up


this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones
and you realy think I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this ....

Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you


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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2012-12-06 12:02:45 UTC
Beiny Lemmont wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.

Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.

Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up


this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones
and you realy think I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this ....

Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you


have some cheese.
Adapt.
I too would love to use the same hurricane fit like before...but that is not possible anymore. Instead I will probably switch back to a myrmidon and do pvp with it (yes, in low sec and on a gate) and I will freaking love it.

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Diabhal Dunmharu
Doomheim
#84 - 2013-01-10 19:51:47 UTC
Bing Khagah wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging

I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.


I really don't think fitting a ship with any other weapon type is any more challenging. Every other type gets to just shoot and tank. Drones on the other hand, have to worry about losing their weapons.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-01-10 19:54:04 UTC
Diabhal Dunmharu wrote:
Bing Khagah wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging

I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.


I really don't think fitting a ship with any other weapon type is any more challenging. Every other type gets to just shoot and tank. Drones on the other hand, have to worry about losing their weapons.

Does that already count as necro'ing ?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#86 - 2013-01-10 19:58:43 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Diabhal Dunmharu wrote:
Bing Khagah wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging

I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.


I really don't think fitting a ship with any other weapon type is any more challenging. Every other type gets to just shoot and tank. Drones on the other hand, have to worry about losing their weapons.

Does that already count as necro'ing ?

Yep, it exceeded the one month after hitting the floor rule.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2013-01-10 20:21:41 UTC
It's Alive...

Since this thread has been bumped I just realized that NPC AI has become smarter than most my targets... since they don't shoot my drones.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-01-10 20:42:18 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
It's Alive...

Since this thread has been bumped I just realized that NPC AI has become smarter than most my targets... since they don't shoot my drones.

*lol*

Although ... it's not really hard to be smarter than most people around here ...
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#89 - 2013-01-10 20:48:39 UTC
And yet another CCP sponsored flame warrior lives on to fight another day.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#90 - 2013-01-10 20:51:18 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.

Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.

Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up




I have avoided the issue for the most part because frankly I haven't noticed anything changing. My drones always did enough damage to get the NPCs' attention and so "drone fu" is nothing new to me.

Now, I want everybody to stop complaining about it or else I'll show you my Scorpion fitted to be a drone boat and then you'll be sorry you were ever born to see that.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#91 - 2013-01-10 21:28:06 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
I fixed your title since you clearly need a Tengu Blink


FTFY

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Thutmose I
Rattium Incorporated
#92 - 2013-01-10 21:36:57 UTC
Am I the only one who finds the new AI considerably easier to kill with drones? from what I can tell, they are now much more likely to primary my ship rather than the sentries, so PVE consists of warp in, launch drones, wait for rats to die (occasionally recall the one drone that gets agro, send out the spare), rather than before consisting of warp in, get agro, launch drones, recall drones before every new spawn, etc.
Diabhal Dunmharu
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-01-10 22:02:03 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.


This is a true statement. If other weapon systems were shot down, everyone would freak out. All other races can just tank and shoot without that to worry about. This is something that needs to be adressed or all drone boat users should just quit the game because that is way to much training time to get the shaft like this. I could train for 22 days for missiles that don't have to worry about all the ecm stuff or train like 68 days for all my drone skills who get killed while running missions and complete them like 70% slower while recalling my drones 50 times a mission.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#94 - 2013-01-10 22:29:02 UTC
Ran my first few missions since the changes last night, lvl5's in an archon. I lost 3 hobgoblins, 1 ogre II, and spent 4M isk repairing structure damage on fighters and lesser drones. Yes I have a capital RR fitted. Seems I might need to toss in a capital remote structure rep and a few sebo's as well. The amount of drone hate is more than a little annoying. It's far worse in a lvl5 than fighting sleepers. Can't comment on lesser pve activities.

In regards to pvp, no one targets drones other than fighter bombers. They might smart bomb them, but they never actually shoot the things. Not if they have any sense anyways.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#95 - 2013-01-10 22:30:52 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
Ran my first few missions since the changes last night, lvl5's in an archon. I lost 3 hobgoblins, 1 ogre II, and spent 4M isk repairing structure damage on fighters and lesser drones. Yes I have a capital RR fitted. Seems I might need to toss in a capital remote structure rep and a few sebo's as well. The amount of drone hate is more than a little annoying. It's far worse in a lvl5 than fighting sleepers. Can't comment on lesser pve activities.

In regards to pvp, no one targets drones other than fighter bombers. They might smart bomb them, but they never actually shoot the things. Not if they have any sense anyways.


Ever consider that maybe L5s weren't meant to be solo'd? Roll

wumbo
SegaPhoenix
Chicks on Speed
#96 - 2013-01-10 22:45:24 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat.


... Exactly. Now drones are such a PITA that I can't be bothered. Cross-training missiles FTW!
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-01-10 22:59:04 UTC
Bing Khagah wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging

I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.


Having to right click to access an attack menu is pretty annoying tho.

Especially in the year 2013.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2013-01-10 23:21:43 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Bing Khagah wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging

I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.


Having to right click to access an attack menu is pretty annoying tho.

Especially in the year 2013.


YOU DON'T EVEN...

wait, what are we mad about, again?