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In FW off grid boosting should be removed.

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Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-12-05 09:22:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gunship
While in 0.0 space this may have it place among capital ships and where anything that is not blue is a target I find in FW this is just another "I win button" for those who already have too much isk. Compare it to the learning skills that CCP finally had the sense to remove.

Two issues I see that needs fixing in FW:

1) Any type of boosting should only be allowed to ships on the grid and within target range of the ship it gives the boost to (IE 300km off gate should not work either).
2) Any ship giving this type of boost should automatically become a war target even if the pilot is not in FW (we all know its an Alt, so the intent is there).

Ask yourself this?
a) Is your SFI not good enough on its own without the Loki boost?
b) Should a ship not in FW be allowed to boost a ship in FW?


If CCP wants to make this game more friendly to newer players it needs to remove stuff like this.


Edit: Just found this quote (from "Trinkets friends") that I find quite funny but true:

"Besides, the biggest doctrine in FW right now is OGB alts. it is more important to tank via loki boosts than worry about lowslot versus midslot tanking philosophy. The moment you turn on automagical loki, it doesn't matter whether you actually have a tank, because you get mystical spirit fingers speed and unicorn levels of point rangge and sig radius voodoo. "
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#2 - 2012-12-05 09:34:49 UTC
Boosting alts are indeed annoying.

Problem that you have is that 99.999% of boosting alts in FW orbit the gates and so are safe unless you can alpha them whilst someone else is engaging their main.

Even if they were in the plex, the fact that you can't warp around inside means that they would be safe at range.

Would be nice if boosts were brought in line with logi so that they got the agression timer too so that you could scan them in space or pop them on gates, but this won't be quick to change.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-12-05 09:41:43 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:

Would be nice if boosts were brought in line with logi so that they got the agression timer too so that you could scan them in space or pop them on gates


Agree with your post and the aggression timer is a good idea Big smile
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-12-05 11:22:40 UTC
Agree here to 100% with you guys. Give boosting alts agression timers.
Always funny to hear in local from guys with boost that they want a good honored 1vs1. Rofl.
Cheating and exploiting the hell out of the s.... but whining that they don´t get 1vs1.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Hazzard
Chaotic Dynamics
#5 - 2012-12-05 11:35:42 UTC
In the Eve Open CCP Fozie mentioned he wants this too. Sounds like it's coming, just a matter of priorities.
SAJUK NIGARRA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-12-05 12:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: SAJUK NIGARRA
Wah wah wah, I cba to train or buy another char, I cba to grind isk to pay more subs, I don't want to put effort in to dualboxing, but I want equal chances. Cry me a river. Eve rewards time and effort put in. (allthough that's slowly going to the shitter).

Also, confirming quoting from Trinkets is the best way to get your point across. By the way, I've seen this great piece of investigative journalism on FOX News ...


Oh, also, requesting special pvp mechanics for FW is ... well, let's just say it should be a picture of you in the dictionary next to special flowsnake.
Voi Lutois
Vonkell
#7 - 2012-12-05 13:54:13 UTC
Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-12-05 13:57:55 UTC
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:
Wah wah wah, I cba to train or buy another char, I cba to grind isk to pay more subs, I don't want to put effort in to dualboxing, but I want equal chances. Cry me a river. Eve rewards time and effort put in. (allthough that's slowly going to the shitter).

Also, confirming quoting from Trinkets is the best way to get your point across. By the way, I've seen this great piece of investigative journalism on FOX News ...


Oh, also, requesting special pvp mechanics for FW is ... well, let's just say it should be a picture of you in the dictionary next to special flowsnake.


So you want Pay 2 Win, who is crying a river... That would be you!
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#9 - 2012-12-05 14:07:14 UTC
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:
Wah wah wah, I cba to train or buy another char, I cba to grind isk to pay more subs, I don't want to put effort in to dualboxing, but I want equal chances. Cry me a river. Eve rewards time and effort put in. (allthough that's slowly going to the shitter).

Also, confirming quoting from Trinkets is the best way to get your point across. By the way, I've seen this great piece of investigative journalism on FOX News ...


Oh, also, requesting special pvp mechanics for FW is ... well, let's just say it should be a picture of you in the dictionary next to special flowsnake.


Man, your ass is gonna string when they drop T3's to 2%.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-12-05 14:09:06 UTC
Voi Lutois wrote:
Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field.


Fine for 0.0, where your OGB has a real change of getting owned, it has no place in FW where plex'es are trying to even the playing field. It's not exactly the 1 month pvp'er who is flying to the small plex in his T1 fitted rifter that gets the boost! That would be the fraction fitted piriate frigate sitting at the end of the gate. Exactly how much advantage do you need?


Opera Noir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-05 14:48:20 UTC
There has been numerous allusions by CCP that this would change, it's going to come when they work on the rebalance for BC's, BS's etc.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#12 - 2012-12-05 15:14:20 UTC
Voi Lutois wrote:
Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field.



Yep everyone should be dual boxing alts. ALTSONLINE.

Face it, as the OGBs proliferate eve becomes worse.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#13 - 2012-12-05 15:25:33 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Voi Lutois wrote:
Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field.



Yep everyone should be dual boxing alts. ALTSONLINE.

Face it, as the OGBs proliferate eve becomes worse.

For once, I find myself agreeing with Cearain. I'm delighted that CCP is finally doing something about OGB.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-05 15:53:09 UTC
OGB has no place in EVE Online, period. If you want the boosts then quit being risk adverse and bring the booster on grid. If you are afraid to bring your booster into the fight, then that booster should not play a role in determining the outcome of the fight. Boosting from near complete safety off grid makes about as much sense as me being able to park my Tornado in Jita 4-4 and firing out the windows popping industrials from complete safety from within the station. Then anytime anyone bitches about it I would say "Train or buy your own tornado pilot... blah blah blah."
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-12-05 16:37:58 UTC
It should be removed period.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#16 - 2012-12-05 17:46:12 UTC
Any time the proposed solution is "get your own", there's probably a serious balance problem.
Feffri
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-12-05 18:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Feffri
I personally don't mind off grid boosting i think it allows the small corps to have boosts, and allows them to be on an equal playing field. Before ogb'n smaller corps like mine couldn't afford damnations and claymores so we were at a disadvantage but we can afford ogbers because of the small amount you loose them. I would say a better nerf would be to make it so when say a loki turns on its skirmish links that even with ladar mods it would be as easy to scan down as a battleship.

However if they do get rid of ogbing then i'd like to see destroyers fill the small ship small gang role for fleet bonus's. E.G. thrasher is like a hurricane with no boost but has fitting reduction to fleet boost mods and a t2 version that acts like a claymore with ship bonus to fleet boosting. Leave whether it should be same boost or smaller up for debate. I would say same because as a destroyer it's much more squishy and can be taken off field easier but a 1-2% less boost per skill would also be ok. Also in big fleets it would be more difficult to pick out which character is the boosting character. This would allow newer players to fairly quickly get into a fleet boosting ship. Another thought is that they could make it so the destroyer can only boost a squad or 1 wing at most. So that it is only for small engagments.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#18 - 2012-12-05 18:40:48 UTC
Gunship wrote:
"Besides, the biggest doctrine in FW right now is OGB alts. it is more important to tank via loki boosts than worry about lowslot versus midslot tanking philosophy. The moment you turn on automagical loki, it doesn't matter whether you actually have a tank, because you get mystical spirit fingers speed and unicorn levels of point rangge and sig radius voodoo. "



I actually think something should be done about OGB, but its hard to agree when you have people writing this crap.


Don't forget, once OGB is gone (which it should) there will be something else to take its place to whine about. I dislike OGB but I think its a vast improvement on the falcon alts which preceded it, at least I can lock a loki boosted ship. At the end of the day these advantages will still exist and people who can't beat / join them will always complain.


Almost all the arguments applied to OGBs can be applied to pirate implant sets, they are pretty much safe in empire space (like OGB) and offer advantages that can't be countered (like OGB) and some people can't afford them.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#19 - 2012-12-05 20:08:25 UTC
Don't touch my implants yo.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#20 - 2012-12-05 21:48:02 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Agree here to 100% with you guys. Give boosting alts agression timers.
Always funny to hear in local from guys with boost that they want a good honored 1vs1. Rofl.
Cheating and exploiting the hell out of the s.... but whining that they don´t get 1vs1.

Confirming that Thrasher + Loki vs Thrasher = 1v1.

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