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Now that ccp has removed canflipping from the game, what are some effective ways to harass miners?
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EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#81 - 2012-12-05 19:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: EglantinFinfleur
Ranger 1 wrote:

While I'm not agreeing with the OPs' assessment, you should probably stop making a fool out of yourself with this drivel. You are having a serious problem separating nefarious in game activity from real life morality.

If you can't see that, you should probably (in all seriousness) consider counciling.


Ah, the tired limp argument "it's only a gaem", and the advice to seek counseling. How predictable!

When people use an online game as a platform to purposefully make somebody mad IRL, that has quite a lot to do with RL morality, hasn't it?

OP doesn't care about ingame riches, immersion or whatever. In his own words, he just wants to harass people, and rejoices when they get angry. It has nothing to do with New Eden, but with degenerate glee at some random Joe's anger.

If you can't see the problem with that, well...
Tiberious Velnoq
Magelair Systems
#82 - 2012-12-05 20:29:31 UTC
ihcn wrote:

a: the mackinaw buff means you find 1/10 the targets you used to, making it pointless to go out in the first pace
b: if you do go out and do somehow manage to find someone jetcan mining, and steal from them, they can just steal it back without consequence

Yes you can get around B with an alt, but that doubles the effort for what is already a super low reward activity because of A


Such limited thinking on your part, I guess. Jetcans are not the only theft available to you. How many solo miners do you see without defense drones? Steal from a wreck if you're so set on gaining the flashing yellow target on your head. Chances are, you'll find foolish enough miners that will send their drones after you, then you can get your easy kill, however pathetic it was in the first place. As stated by another, go find something that actually can give you a challenge. Are you really so weak that you can only kill non-combat targets?
Tiberious Velnoq
Magelair Systems
#83 - 2012-12-05 20:48:58 UTC
ihcn wrote:

A: It makes mining more dangerous, which is good for everyone. Every activity in EVE should have risk, and for a while, they did, but the risks of most hisec activities have been diminishing for a long time. This is another step down that road.
B: If a miner seriously can't handle being pestered for 15 minutes as a consequence of making a risky decision, they shouldn't be playing this game.
C: I'm a troll and I love seeing people get angry over it. My in-game title for this character is "i think u just completely *******", a direct quote from someone i 'encountered' who apparently didn't have a very good grasp on english


So....

A: Quit getting out of bed, because walking should be hazardous, too. Your personal opinions are no more valid than anyone else's. Miners aren't mining to have combat or be victimized. If they wanted that, they would NOT be highsec space when they mined.
B: Personal opinion, and it obviously does not match the game developers opinion. Get over it.
C: And thus, you prove to be such a pathetic person that you only feel good about yourself by attempting to put others down. Good job on announcing your personality problem.

Personally, I laugh at and taunt people like you when they try your "game" on me while I mine. It's even more hilarious when the taunting works and they fail to blow my ship before Concord blasts them. I've picked up some nice loot as a result by simply looting and salvaging the wrecks of those that tried your game on me and got played in return.

FYI, bumping doesn't really hurt me, either. It'd be a waste of your time to bump someone that really won't care. Of course, feel free to test me on that. it'll mean that other miners that might get upset will be able to keep mining undisturbed.

Get help and come blow up my Mackinaw. It's rather easy to replace, since ISK isn't hard to get and I have plenty to last me a while already.
Tiberious Velnoq
Magelair Systems
#84 - 2012-12-05 21:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberious Velnoq
ihcn wrote:

Man, you're really good at this psychoanalysis stuff. But you forgot to tell me how many people ive had sex with and how thick my neckbeard is to complete the analysis.

But seriously though, do people like you not realize how butthurt you sound when you make posts like this? You have no clue who I am, what I do for a living, what I do in this game (aside from this). All you know is that I (used to)spend a couple hours a month pestering miners, and apparently that makes me criminally psychotic. I don't think so.

As for goals, you do realize you're playing a video game, right? A sandbox video game, implying it's specifically designed to not have specific game-ending conditions. IE you can make all the ISK you want, but the credits screen is never going to start rolling. If you gain sovereignty over the whole galaxy, a "Game over, you won!" screen does not appear. You cannot settle down with a family and raise children and have a life. In the end it all comes down to whether you have fun or not. I happen to have fun giggling like a schoolgirl when a miner gets so mad he starts typing at me in all caps and making typos and threatening to report me to the GM's.


Actually, the continued whining that I've seen from you actually is proof that you have a serious personality disorder. You gain pleasure by causing someone else to be miserable, and you see no problem with that? Too funny. Stay delusional, or you may wake up very unhappy with your life at some point in the future.

As you put it, this is just a game. As such, would you keep playing if it was always a hassle? Would that be fun for you? Obviously, it isn't something you'd find fun or you wouldn't have started this thread. A game change was done to discourage griefing (harassment IS against the EULA and can cause account bans), and all you did was announce your dissatisfaction with the change. Poor you. Consequences to your actions aren't fun? Oh well, welcome to the real world.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#85 - 2012-12-05 22:17:04 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
While I'm not agreeing with the OPs' assessment, you should probably stop making a fool out of yourself with this drivel. You are having a serious problem separating nefarious in game activity from real life morality.

If you can't see that, you should probably (in all seriousness) consider counciling.

EVE is not only harsh and cold,

EVE is real.


(I was there)

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ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#86 - 2012-12-05 22:23:16 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I"m pretty sure that if you drop a can first (before you get the suspect flag), then can flip into it, you can do away with the minor nuisance of needing an alt.

Note: I could be incorrect on this, I haven't tried it myself... and honestly am not likely to do so.

I tried it this morning and this is not the case I'm afraid
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#87 - 2012-12-05 22:30:07 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

While I'm not agreeing with the OPs' assessment, you should probably stop making a fool out of yourself with this drivel. You are having a serious problem separating nefarious in game activity from real life morality.

If you can't see that, you should probably (in all seriousness) consider counciling.


Ah, the tired limp argument "it's only a gaem", and the advice to seek counseling. How predictable!

When people use an online game as a platform to purposefully make somebody mad IRL, that has quite a lot to do with RL morality, hasn't it?

OP doesn't care about ingame riches, immersion or whatever. In his own words, he just wants to harass people, and rejoices when they get angry. It has nothing to do with New Eden, but with degenerate glee at some random Joe's anger.

If you can't see the problem with that, well...

I don't "just" want to harass people. In that very same post i said I only spent like a few hours a month doing this. The rest were spent on activities that aren't as community-unfriendly. Feel free to continue to cherry-pick my posts though.

Quote:
A: Quit getting out of bed, because walking should be hazardous, too. Your personal opinions are no more valid than anyone else's. Miners aren't mining to have combat or be victimized. If they wanted that, they would NOT be highsec space when they mined.

If they don't want pvp they shouldn't play a game that's advertised as having always-on pvp

Quote:
B: Personal opinion, and it obviously does not match the game developers opinion. Get over it.

Game quality is only one decision factor for CCP. They have to make money, and more accounts means more money, even if it means dumbing down the game to make that happen.

Quote:
C: And thus, you prove to be such a pathetic person that you only feel good about yourself by attempting to put others down. Good job on announcing your personality problem.

Personally, I laugh at and taunt people like you when they try your "game" on me while I mine. It's even more hilarious when the taunting works and they fail to blow my ship before Concord blasts them. I've picked up some nice loot as a result by simply looting and salvaging the wrecks of those that tried your game on me and got played in return.

FYI, bumping doesn't really hurt me, either. It'd be a waste of your time to bump someone that really won't care. Of course, feel free to test me on that. it'll mean that other miners that might get upset will be able to keep mining undisturbed.

Get help and come blow up my Mackinaw. It's rather easy to replace, since ISK isn't hard to get and I have plenty to last me a while already.

You should probably know that I don't care about any of the things you've typed here, and neither does anyone else like me.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#88 - 2012-12-05 22:32:51 UTC
No, seriously, you know what happens when me and my friends fail a suicide gank? Hint: we don't buttrage over it. We laugh about how bad we are and then we reship to do it again. Please continue to giggle about how much concord "pwned" us though.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#89 - 2012-12-05 22:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
When I fail a gank, I usually beat the **** out of my mother, my many cats, or just bash my head against the drywall until it needs replacing (the drywall that is; my head is fairly thick). Sometimes I even rob old ladies on the street with my BB gun (it's a USP and looks very realistic!) because it makes me feel all better.

PS: Has anyone realized how psychotic EglantinFinfleur is? Like holy ****, he actually admits to going to bars to pick fights with college kids due to an extreme, deep-seated resentment of an alleged "ivory tower" lifestyle. That's insane. Easy on the Alex Jones there, buddy. The thirteen families didn't make their wealth from Picassos.

Don't stop posting though, seriously. You're awesome.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-12-05 23:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
pussnheels wrote:


Grow some balls and do some real pvp against people that actually fight back , you might not win all the times but it is certainly much more fun


Real PvP? You mean gatecamping and roams through empty space cuz all those "better" people are safed up waiting for a blob? Or AFK cloaking for a few days? Station games at trade hubs?Yeah that's loads of fun...

Guess it's time to make an AWOX alt---can you still get into a typhoon with torps/neuts in 2 weeks?
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-12-05 23:35:23 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
the fact is nobody jetcan mines any more.


This isn't true - a few of my bumping buddies went on a can-flipping spree during the last few days of inferno and got themselves some kills. Some also continue to consider expander rigs essential for their ice-mining macks. Reading blogs, patch notes, etc is :effort:. P


In all fairness most of those ships were probably fitted before the buff. I know I have a few ships still that have cargo rigs just because I have never bothered to fit anything differently.
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-12-05 23:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Munoz
I have never flipped cans or stole from them but am I missing something with regard to the point of actually flipping them? Why not show up in an Occator, Viator, or Iteron V, steal the ore and warp off? Hell or even a tractor fit Orca, with your own drones to combat theirs.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#93 - 2012-12-05 23:43:06 UTC
Mark Munoz wrote:
I have never flipped cans or stole from them but am I missing something with regard to the point of actually flipping them? Why not show up in an Occator, Viator, or Iteron V, steal the ore and warp off? Hell or even a tractor fit Orca, with your own drones to combat theirs.

Because profiting from 27,500m³ of Veldspar is a fool's venture. Only the ignorant consider that gameplay. The tears from the people who do so are worth much, much more.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
fukier
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-12-05 23:45:03 UTC
did someone say concord sanctioned contracts for dueling?

i came up with the idea just under 2 years ago...

basically you can make contracts that setup temp pvp flag that allows involved parties to duke it out...

think of it as a temp war dec that is mutual...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-12-05 23:50:39 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Mark Munoz wrote:
I have never flipped cans or stole from them but am I missing something with regard to the point of actually flipping them? Why not show up in an Occator, Viator, or Iteron V, steal the ore and warp off? Hell or even a tractor fit Orca, with your own drones to combat theirs.

Because profiting from 27,500m³ of Veldspar is a fool's venture. Only the ignorant consider that gameplay. The tears from the people who do so are worth much, much more.


I was asking why bother going around and flipping cans so that you are the new owner when you can simply just bring your hauler to save yourself a step. I wasn't asking about the legitimacy of the game style.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#96 - 2012-12-05 23:52:12 UTC
Because the goal is to get the miner to take his ore back by flipping your own can, so that you can shoot him.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-12-05 23:53:54 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Because the goal is to get the miner to take his ore back by flipping your own can, so that you can shoot him.


Ah OK so the point isn't to profit from what they mined its just to make them go boom then.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-12-05 23:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Mark Munoz wrote:
I have never flipped cans or stole from them but am I missing something with regard to the point of actually flipping them? Why not show up in an Occator, Viator, or Iteron V, steal the ore and warp off? Hell or even a tractor fit Orca, with your own drones to combat theirs.


Goal is generally to get them pvp flagged by taking their ore back or shooting you. Ergo, it's done by a lot of combat ships to inexperienced players which is why canflipping has a bad reputation as a "griefer" tactic.

Personally, I did all my flipping in PvP-fit haulers/mining ships then I had the potential to make isk through stealing the ore AND by getting kills/ransoms. Plus, it was less obvious than an assault frigate or heavy cruiser so I actually had more success against older players (one guy was three years old).
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#99 - 2012-12-05 23:56:18 UTC
I miss stealing ore.

The Tears Must Flow
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#100 - 2012-12-06 00:03:54 UTC
ihcn wrote:

If they don't want pvp they shouldn't play a game that's advertised as having always-on pvp


Here the one don't wanting to PVP is just you. Otherwise you wouldn't open a thread stating "CCP has removed canflipping" when nothing was removed but simply CCP extended PVP flag to it.
Your whole thread is about tips and tricks to avoid the PVP "risk" (against miners in high-sec, lol).

The better way to adapt to this is just to start to play EVE: teal that can and deal with consequences.