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Now that ccp has removed canflipping from the game, what are some effective ways to harass miners?
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ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#41 - 2012-12-05 10:57:36 UTC
Misha M'Liena wrote:
4, Harden up or goto hello kitty. *Grumbles* Wah wah wah, MoM!!!! Ccp made screwing with miners harder....Farmville that way. ---->

Maybe before you started giggling to yourself over how hard you pwnz0red me with this comment, you should have read the op to see that this is a "lets talk about how to adapt" thread and not a "omg i hate ccp im quitting" thread
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#42 - 2012-12-05 11:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ihcn
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
ihcn wrote:
Yes you can get around B with an alt, but that doubles the effort for what is already a super low reward activity because of A

I'm on your side, but remember: spite is its own reward. We can afford to lose money here, and still be much better off than the people we pick apart.

Yeah i wasnt in it for the money at all, i liked trolling them and i liked the feeling that i was making mining more dangerous and adding a decision element to mining (ie, is the reward of jetcan mining worth the risk). A decision element that no longer exists.

And I was even willing to put up with spending 2 hours looking for a target, although I did it way less often than I did before the mack buff. But now I have to either spend 2 hours looking for a target while having to deal with pulling an alt along, or spend to hours searching by myself and then watch helplessly as the miner just steals the can back. It's just not worth the effort.

Hence why I made this thread looking for alternatives.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#43 - 2012-12-05 11:04:51 UTC
The best alternative is bumping at the moment. But don't half-ass it; use a Machariel or something to really launch them. Make sure to note their ship name before they warp out, because it will make it easier to find them in the system again. If they leave, use a locator agent. Continue doing this until they log off, then find new ones.

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-12-05 11:05:07 UTC
Why do you want to can flip anyway. It hardly exciting gameplay. And it may put new players off also which in the end is a negative for people who actually have a vested interest in the game and want it to grow. I can see why CCP are trying to make this activity as undesirable as possible. Stealing from new players is like stealing from an old granny who cant afford to pay her fuel bills. That wouldn't be profitable, so why should can flipping.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#45 - 2012-12-05 11:11:53 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
Why do you want to can flip anyway. It hardly exciting gameplay. And it may put new players off also which in the end is a negative for people who actually have a vested interest in the game and want it to grow. I can see why CCP are trying to make this activity as undesirable as possible. Stealing from new players is like stealing from an old granny who cant afford to pay her fuel bills. That wouldn't be profitable, so why should can flipping.

A: It makes mining more dangerous, which is good for everyone. Every activity in EVE should have risk, and for a while, they did, but the risks of most hisec activities have been diminishing for a long time. This is another step down that road.
B: If a miner seriously can't handle being pestered for 15 minutes as a consequence of making a risky decision, they shouldn't be playing this game.
C: I'm a troll and I love seeing people get angry over it. My in-game title for this character is "i think u just completely *******", a direct quote from someone i 'encountered' who apparently didn't have a very good grasp on english
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#46 - 2012-12-05 11:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Misha M'Liena
I never said you were quitting mate.
I pointed out your false and lame excuses at trying to pin the blame on crimewatch.

Sorry cupcake you Failed.

Theres still miners, theres still ganking, Everybody seems to adjusted but NOOOOOOOO not you, You're a special cupcake.

Misha.




Ps, probaly shouldn't post in a whine thread before my first cup of coffee Big smile

Not as innocent as she appears.™  
Emu Meo
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-12-05 11:16:21 UTC
ihcn wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
Why do you want to can flip anyway. It hardly exciting gameplay. And it may put new players off also which in the end is a negative for people who actually have a vested interest in the game and want it to grow. I can see why CCP are trying to make this activity as undesirable as possible. Stealing from new players is like stealing from an old granny who cant afford to pay her fuel bills. That wouldn't be profitable, so why should can flipping.

A: It makes mining more dangerous, which is good for everyone. Every activity in EVE should have risk, and for a while, they did, but the risks of most hisec activities have been diminishing for a long time. This is another step down that road.
B: If a miner seriously can't handle being pestered for 15 minutes as a consequence of making a risky decision, they shouldn't be playing this game.
C: I'm a troll and I love seeing people get angry over it. My in-game title for this character is "i think u just completely *******", a direct quote from someone i 'encountered' who apparently didn't have a very good grasp on english


Well there is still the same amount of jet can miners before this expansion than there is after this expansion. Possibly even more as they may be lulled into a false sense of security so this change could actually benefit you in the long run. Also you don't need an alt, just take the suspect flag hit and kill right with your main, you said that isn't a problem to you.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#48 - 2012-12-05 11:16:24 UTC
Misha M'Liena wrote:
I never said you were quitting mate.
I pointed out your false and lame excuses at trying to pin the blame on crimewatch.

Sorry cupcake you Failed.

Theres still miners, theres still ganking, Everybody seems to adjusted but NOOOOOOOO not you, You're a special cupcake.

Misha.




Ps, probaly shouldn't post in a whine thread before my first cup of coffee Big smile

I've said it a few times now but apparently I need to say it again, this has nothing to do with the suspect flag.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#49 - 2012-12-05 11:17:35 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
ihcn wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
Why do you want to can flip anyway. It hardly exciting gameplay. And it may put new players off also which in the end is a negative for people who actually have a vested interest in the game and want it to grow. I can see why CCP are trying to make this activity as undesirable as possible. Stealing from new players is like stealing from an old granny who cant afford to pay her fuel bills. That wouldn't be profitable, so why should can flipping.

A: It makes mining more dangerous, which is good for everyone. Every activity in EVE should have risk, and for a while, they did, but the risks of most hisec activities have been diminishing for a long time. This is another step down that road.
B: If a miner seriously can't handle being pestered for 15 minutes as a consequence of making a risky decision, they shouldn't be playing this game.
C: I'm a troll and I love seeing people get angry over it. My in-game title for this character is "i think u just completely *******", a direct quote from someone i 'encountered' who apparently didn't have a very good grasp on english


Well there is still the same amount of jet can miners before this expansion than there is after this expansion. Possibly even more as they may be lulled into a false sense of security so this change could actually benefit you in the long run. Also you don't need an alt, just take the suspect flag hit and kill right with your main, you said that isn't a problem to you.

You need the alt because without the alt they can just steal the can back from you and ignore you.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#50 - 2012-12-05 11:18:49 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
Why do you want to can flip anyway. It hardly exciting gameplay. And it may put new players off also which in the end is a negative for people who actually have a vested interest in the game and want it to grow. I can see why CCP are trying to make this activity as undesirable as possible. Stealing from new players is like stealing from an old granny who cant afford to pay her fuel bills. That wouldn't be profitable, so why should can flipping.

Exhumer pilots in high-sec are hardly new players; they're dead weight, or bots. They're unlikely to progress beyond what they're already doing, and are likely to quit from at the first encounter of any negative stimulus that comes their way anyway. So we might as well have some fun at their expense, since if we don't, someone else will. They have no future here regardless of what we do, and the only way to guarantee any semblance of long-term residence by these types would be to remove all potential danger from high-sec. And that's not what EVE is about. Not yet, at least.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#51 - 2012-12-05 11:22:59 UTC
Ok. I'll try once more.

But i'm getting tired of your weak excuses.

In the system I mine and mission in, There is still Ganking. They got 5 macks Probaly more. That was yesterday AFTER the patch. They have adapted. Why can't you?

Misha.

Not as innocent as she appears.™  
Emu Meo
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-12-05 11:23:28 UTC
ihcn wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
ihcn wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
Why do you want to can flip anyway. It hardly exciting gameplay. And it may put new players off also which in the end is a negative for people who actually have a vested interest in the game and want it to grow. I can see why CCP are trying to make this activity as undesirable as possible. Stealing from new players is like stealing from an old granny who cant afford to pay her fuel bills. That wouldn't be profitable, so why should can flipping.

A: It makes mining more dangerous, which is good for everyone. Every activity in EVE should have risk, and for a while, they did, but the risks of most hisec activities have been diminishing for a long time. This is another step down that road.
B: If a miner seriously can't handle being pestered for 15 minutes as a consequence of making a risky decision, they shouldn't be playing this game.
C: I'm a troll and I love seeing people get angry over it. My in-game title for this character is "i think u just completely *******", a direct quote from someone i 'encountered' who apparently didn't have a very good grasp on english


Well there is still the same amount of jet can miners before this expansion than there is after this expansion. Possibly even more as they may be lulled into a false sense of security so this change could actually benefit you in the long run. Also you don't need an alt, just take the suspect flag hit and kill right with your main, you said that isn't a problem to you.

You need the alt because without the alt they can just steal the can back from you and ignore you.


Ok, so under the new mechanics if he steals the can back from you he won't get a suspect flag also? If not then I guess this is just another way CCP are trying to discourage can flipping.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#53 - 2012-12-05 11:25:35 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
Ok, so under the new mechanics if he steals the can back from you he won't get a suspect flag also? If not then I guess this is just another way CCP are trying to discourage can flipping.

That's correct. A suspect's belongings are basically open to everyone.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#54 - 2012-12-05 11:26:21 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
Ok, so under the new mechanics if he steals the can back from you he won't get a suspect flag also? If not then I guess this is just another way CCP are trying to discourage can flipping.

I tested it myself. If you're a suspect, they can steal from you without becoming a suspect.

CCP trying to make hisec safer is not a good thought. More hisec carebears paying for subs is probably good for their bottom line, but it's not good for the quality of the game.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-12-05 11:27:13 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:
You can still can flip, just need someone else there to pass the ore on to.


wrong.

the fact is nobody jetcan mines any more.


wrong

the fact is, there are plenty of people jetcan mining until they've built up their skills for a mining barge. you're obviously not lookin' in the right places

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#56 - 2012-12-05 11:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ihcn
Misha M'Liena wrote:
Ok. I'll try once more.

But i'm getting tired of your weak excuses.

In the system I mine and mission in, There is still Ganking. They got 5 macks Probaly more. That was yesterday AFTER the patch. They have adapted. Why can't you?

Misha.

None of my posts have addressed ganking whatsoever. The fact that suiciding is still possible is great. They haven't adapted at all, they don't need to.

If suiciding is my only choice then so be it, but I would prefer alternatives.

Edit: Actually i did mention ganking. In the OP. I literally listed it as one of the alternatives. Do you even know what point you're trying to make?
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#57 - 2012-12-05 11:31:57 UTC
9/10 for the troll. I fell for it Shocked


Misha.

Not as innocent as she appears.™  
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#58 - 2012-12-05 11:32:36 UTC
What
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#59 - 2012-12-05 11:35:58 UTC
It's a tactical digression. Call troll and close the browser window so you can't read responses. Because what you don't know can't hurt you.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Zoctrine
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-12-05 11:40:40 UTC
ihcn wrote:
Baww, its literally the end of the world because I have to adapt to a new system.





Also, the topic referes to an act that is forbiden by the EULA...