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Now that ccp has removed canflipping from the game, what are some effective ways to harass miners?
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#21 - 2012-12-05 09:13:17 UTC
ihcn wrote:
Ravnik wrote:
Here's an idea. Low sec or null. Problem solved Roll

i mess around in lowsec all the time. i get maybe one fight for every 4-5 times I go out. You're a joke if you think lowsec is a good place to find pvp. I also do nullsec ops with my alliance all the time. But sometimes you just want to **** with miners, you know?

I don't want to do this for lack of alternatives.


It's actually quite easy to find fights in lowsec, trick is you have to actually fight the people there instead of hiding all the time.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#22 - 2012-12-05 09:18:25 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
the fact is nobody jetcan mines any more.


This isn't true - a few of my bumping buddies went on a can-flipping spree during the last few days of inferno and got themselves some kills. Some also continue to consider expander rigs essential for their ice-mining macks. Reading blogs, patch notes, etc is :effort:. P

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ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#23 - 2012-12-05 09:23:38 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
ihcn wrote:
Ravnik wrote:
Here's an idea. Low sec or null. Problem solved Roll

i mess around in lowsec all the time. i get maybe one fight for every 4-5 times I go out. You're a joke if you think lowsec is a good place to find pvp. I also do nullsec ops with my alliance all the time. But sometimes you just want to **** with miners, you know?

I don't want to do this for lack of alternatives.


It's actually quite easy to find fights in lowsec, trick is you have to actually fight the people there instead of hiding all the time.

lmao is this a real post
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-12-05 09:23:50 UTC
Not enough miners in low sec :-P
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-05 09:45:08 UTC
Why would I need to jetcan mine when I have almost an entire jetcan's worth of space and 2 more levels to go in skills?

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ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#26 - 2012-12-05 09:46:38 UTC
Seriously. If you're mining in a mack, which most solo miners will, there is literally no reason to ever drop a jetcan for more than like 2 seconds
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#27 - 2012-12-05 09:51:39 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
ihcn wrote:
Ravnik wrote:
Here's an idea. Low sec or null. Problem solved Roll

i mess around in lowsec all the time. i get maybe one fight for every 4-5 times I go out. You're a joke if you think lowsec is a good place to find pvp. I also do nullsec ops with my alliance all the time. But sometimes you just want to **** with miners, you know?

I don't want to do this for lack of alternatives.


It's actually quite easy to find fights in lowsec, trick is you have to actually fight the people there instead of hiding all the time.


Agreed. Ive found warping to a planet and waiting tends to get a fight.

Glad you think im a joke tho. You are obviously looking in the wrong places. Nevermind, carry on with your griefing, if its how you get your kicks

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#28 - 2012-12-05 10:22:11 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
It's actually quite easy to find fights in lowsec, trick is you have to actually fight the people there instead of hiding all the time.

If your idea of "fighting" is to feed larger groups guaranteed kills and be resigned to winning one out of maybe fifty engagements, sure. High-sec, and to a small extent wormholes, are really the only places where small-scale pvp can really happen.

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-12-05 10:35:17 UTC
So you crying now basically because you cant steal from defenceless high sec miners without having at least a small risk of someone actually fighting you for it? *shakes head*
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#30 - 2012-12-05 10:39:19 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
So you crying now basically because you cant steal from defenceless high sec miners without having at least a small risk of someone actually fighting you for it? *shakes head*

The system is easy to bypass by simply using an alt to do the initial theft, and then re-steal the can from your suspect-flagged alt. Then you just tell the miner in local "here you go buddy, I got your ore back for you."

I don't think anyone's crying about that.

Aside from the miners.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-12-05 10:41:07 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
So you crying now basically because you cant steal from defenceless high sec miners without having at least a small risk of someone actually fighting you for it? *shakes head*

The system is easy to bypass by simply using an alt to do the initial theft, and then re-steal the can from your suspect-flagged alt. Then you just tell the miner in local "here you go buddy, I got your ore back for you."

I don't think anyone's crying about that.

Aside from the miners.


If you steal from your alt and become a suspect, then you are still a target for anyone, so that wouldn't work.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#32 - 2012-12-05 10:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Emu Meo wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
So you crying now basically because you cant steal from defenceless high sec miners without having at least a small risk of someone actually fighting you for it? *shakes head*

The system is easy to bypass by simply using an alt to do the initial theft, and then re-steal the can from your suspect-flagged alt. Then you just tell the miner in local "here you go buddy, I got your ore back for you."

I don't think anyone's crying about that.

Aside from the miners.


If you steal from your alt and become a suspect, then you are still a target for anyone, so that wouldn't work.

You don't become a suspect after looting a suspect's belongings. Also you can just fleet up and transfer items legally, and the miner wouldn't even know.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#33 - 2012-12-05 10:44:08 UTC

This is fun.

People living in null sec are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).
People living in low sec are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).
People living in wormhole are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).
People with low sec status are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).

But people willing to play the criminal in high-sec can't deal with a 15 minutes PvP flag pretend to be special snowflakes deserving special protection by game mechanics.

It's good to have a mechanics If dealing with a short term PvP flag is such a problem there're less harsh games to play. Oh wait, maybe you prefers a /pvp command you can activate when is convenient for you, and nor risk of losses... Then go and play WoW.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#34 - 2012-12-05 10:47:41 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
So you crying now basically because you cant steal from defenceless high sec miners without having at least a small risk of someone actually fighting you for it? *shakes head*

i don't care about being flagged a suspect even slightly
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#35 - 2012-12-05 10:49:22 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:

This is fun.

People living in null sec are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).
People living in low sec are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).
People living in wormhole are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).
People with low sec status are FFA 24/7 (ship and pod).

But people willing to play the criminal in high-sec can't deal with a 15 minutes PvP flag pretend to be special snowflakes deserving special protection by game mechanics.

It's good to have a mechanics If dealing with a short term PvP flag is such a problem there're less harsh games to play. Oh wait, maybe you prefers a /pvp command you can activate when is convenient for you, and nor risk of losses... Then go and play WoW.


I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to make in this post.
Emu Meo
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-12-05 10:49:53 UTC
ihcn wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
So you crying now basically because you cant steal from defenceless high sec miners without having at least a small risk of someone actually fighting you for it? *shakes head*

i don't care about being flagged a suspect even slightly


So then, what exactly is the problem? Just loot the can and take the consequence.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#37 - 2012-12-05 10:52:53 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
ihcn wrote:
Emu Meo wrote:
So you crying now basically because you cant steal from defenceless high sec miners without having at least a small risk of someone actually fighting you for it? *shakes head*

i don't care about being flagged a suspect even slightly


So then, what exactly is the problem? Just loot the can and take the consequence.

a: the mackinaw buff means you find 1/10 the targets you used to, making it pointless to go out in the first pace
b: if you do go out and do somehow manage to find someone jetcan mining, and steal from them, they can just steal it back without consequence

Yes you can get around B with an alt, but that doubles the effort for what is already a super low reward activity because of A
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#38 - 2012-12-05 10:53:57 UTC
So much useless and false information in this thread...

1, Miners are still being ganked.

2, Miners still use cans.

3, A lot of miners still don't fit for tank.

4, Harden up or goto hello kitty. *Grumbles* Wah wah wah, MoM!!!! Ccp made screwing with miners harder....Farmville that way. ---->

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#39 - 2012-12-05 10:55:34 UTC
ihcn wrote:
Yes you can get around B with an alt, but that doubles the effort for what is already a super low reward activity because of A

I'm on your side, but remember: spite is its own reward. We can afford to lose money here, and still be much better off than the people we pick apart.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#40 - 2012-12-05 10:55:58 UTC
They did not remove can fliping mate Straight

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