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Bounties are serious buisness.

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#21 - 2012-12-05 00:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
The fees wont solve the problem, 100k +/- 20% is still next to nothing for people

An option to pay it off seems like a decent idea. Although it wont stop people from putting random bounties on you, at least you have the option to pay it off and get rid of it easily if you want to

o/
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-12-05 00:26:56 UTC
What's Chribba's bounty at right now? Big smile

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Nyaris Wolfe
SHUT UP SEV
#23 - 2012-12-05 00:34:21 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Also if it gets high enough you can always claim your own ^^

Please show me an example where claiming your own bounty is a good idea. (Hint, they changed payout)


As far as I'm aware theres no law against second accounts, and it's percentage of damage done.

Unless I'm missing something else, in which case enlightenment can never be a bad thing

I am an Alt who's main is too damn cheap to sub. http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ Brony Capsuleer best Capsuleer!
gfldex
#24 - 2012-12-05 00:40:12 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
What's Chribba's bounty at right now? Big smile


306400000 ISK

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
gfldex
#25 - 2012-12-05 00:42:09 UTC
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Unless I'm missing something else


You are missing that you will spend way more on the exploded ship and it's modules/cargo then you get payed from the bounty pool.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-05 00:42:51 UTC
People were able to place bounties on you before for no reason, too. Just wait it out, people are having fun with the new mechanics, it will pass when they are bored of it.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#27 - 2012-12-05 00:48:10 UTC
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Also if it gets high enough you can always claim your own ^^

Please show me an example where claiming your own bounty is a good idea. (Hint, they changed payout)


As far as I'm aware theres no law against second accounts, and it's percentage of damage done.

Unless I'm missing something else, in which case enlightenment can never be a bad thing
It is actually 20% of the average market value of the total loss value of the kill report. So that is not only the ship, but also the value of the modules, rigs, cargo, etc.
The relevant Dev Blog can be found here.
Hope that clarifies it a bit.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#28 - 2012-12-05 00:51:58 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
*snipe*



LOL

Oderint Dum Metuant
Nyaris Wolfe
SHUT UP SEV
#29 - 2012-12-05 00:52:53 UTC
It does indeed. Cheers muchly. Thats a good thing though. At least from my viewpoint, I wear my bounties with pride.... Welll. With earrings

I am an Alt who's main is too damn cheap to sub. http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ Brony Capsuleer best Capsuleer!
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#30 - 2012-12-05 16:59:16 UTC
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
What is the problem?
No one will suicide gank you or war dec you for 100k.
You can even blow up your own noob ships until the 100k is gone if you don't like the wanted sign.


This is what I kind of mean by it, I suppose any amount, starting with super cheap works, but it seems we have a system that doesn't have a few things for the "circle of dickery" that was explained earlier on.

Bounty = no thing but a point and click - ok, no issue, bounties can be set by anyone.
Bounty amount = ok, keep it the same, no issue.
Bounty withdrawl - this isn't there, it should be for dickery either to the parties that went for the bounty, or to grant the pleas of the tearful after a contribution to the placer.
Bounty claim = Concord, meh they are like the post office. 20% up front on killing the suspect, the rest.
Manual Payout system, where the person who placed the bounty is notified on the payout, CONCORD has paid out the 20% part, the KM and the details are reviewed and the rest is then paid (or not) to the party at hand with the head in it.
If the second party (the one with the head) is dickeried, by the placer then they get nothing... just the 20% that Concord put out, and they are screwed, but they can then set a bounty on the first party and so on... much like that old western...

Did you kill him? yep... Here's the money... best money I ever paid... thanks... just one thing, before he died, he paid me to kill you... and I never go back on a contract... *Blam blam blam... Yaaaaghghhg... flop*. I believe it was fist full of dollars, but can't rmember, anyway...
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#31 - 2012-12-05 17:03:09 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.

Pretty much, I got a bounty on my head and did not even play EVE mechanics yet. So even if you are not provoking anyone. you can get a bounty on you. That's dumb!

Raise the initial bounty to at least10mil and if no one get you within a month or so... Lower the bounty by a percentage until someone raise it again.

Bounty should only be inflicted on a pilot that deserve it. NOT ME! LOL.

Also if a pilot decide to place another amount of a pilot, he can only do it once for a week or so, therefore when you place a bounty, make sure you are placing it for what it is worth.

Thx, DEIFER.


This post makes me want to put a bounty on you.
Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-12-05 17:05:33 UTC
For serious grudges, Discreet Bounties anonymously places individual bounties. Our current minimum is 10 million ISK to weed out the children and serve clients with a legitimate ax to grind.

CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties
MilitantMan
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-12-05 17:06:18 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.



Thx, DEIFER.


this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#34 - 2012-12-05 17:17:47 UTC
Could be nice to see option to place bounty anonymously - for additional fee (bribe) to CONCORD. Like +10%.

It will create minuscule money sink + people will be less afraid to try/use the system.
Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-12-05 17:30:16 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Could be nice to see option to place bounty anonymously - for additional fee (bribe) to CONCORD. Like +10%.

It will create minuscule money sink + people will be less afraid to try/use the system.

Discreet Bounties is happy to place such anonymous bounties on your behalf.

CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties
Mag's
Azn Empire
#36 - 2012-12-05 17:36:57 UTC
When I get chance Souisa, I'll send you some bounty love. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-12-05 17:41:07 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
nah the small entry level is fine. It adds up if you are a bad guy.. and if not nobody cares. HOWEVER, there should be a mechanic how you can get rid of the bounties without exploding. For example by paying them yourself. I mean what should freighter pilots do to get rid of the bounties? They never pvp or anything like that.


That is actually a very good suggestion. It will solve the problem of people not wanting their 100k isk bounty, as well as become a neat little ISK sink :)

Then we can allow miners to pay CONCORD to make them immune to suicide ganks for a period of time; that would be neat little ISK sink as well.

Pardon me guys,
Are you saying that you advocate developer created mechanics that allow players to negate player driven mechanics?

Let me see.
Pay 1 million to clear my bounty that is ecnouraging more people to blow up my 1 billion ISK ship full of loot?

I know you guys aren't stupid, I know you you know that if you could pay off your bounties that people would stop putting bounties on people.

No it is not a good idea. If you have a bounty you should have a bounty. It shouldn't expire, and the only way to remove it should by either getting blown up or working out a deal with whomever put it on you to remove it. (Can you remove a bounty you place? You should be able if you can't. Would be silly if you couldn't.)

The guy that put the money on you isn't getting any money in return. Why don't you see if they'll accept payment from you in return for removing it?

If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a **** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there.
Dr No Game
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-12-05 17:41:44 UTC
Savnire Jacitu wrote:
Had someone put a 100k bounty on me. When I get on tonight I'm putting a 100 mil bounty on them as personal **** you.

This :P
Some forum-rager put a 100K bounty on me last night. Made me wish I had subbed years ago so I could drop a half-bil on his head :P
Dr No Game
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-12-05 17:44:48 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a **** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there.

Right, and 100K bounties will never be used, and devalue the meaning of the bounty system when everyone has one. If there were an expiry or some similar mechanism I would be happy with that, as a 1-off 100K bounty will not make you "Wanted" for very long. Pirates who are consistently accruing lots of small bounties would still be wanted fugitives, and random carebear miners can keep their squaky-clean records.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#40 - 2012-12-05 17:46:46 UTC
Dr No Game wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a **** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there.

Right, and 100K bounties will never be used, and devalue the meaning of the bounty system when everyone has one. If there were an expiry or some similar mechanism I would be happy with that, as a 1-off 100K bounty will not make you "Wanted" for very long. Pirates who are consistently accruing lots of small bounties would still be wanted fugitives, and random carebear miners can keep their squaky-clean records.
No time limit and no pay off. Suck it up fuzzball.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.